Democratic Primaries

bigtree

(86,004 posts) Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:42 PM Aug 2019

Hours after Trump threatens to "revive" the slur he's trying to use to define Elizabeth Warren

Annie Linskey @AnnieLinskey 6h
Hours after @realDonaldTrump threatens to “revive” the slur he is trying to use to define Warren, she releases a meaty policy proposal to benefit Native American communities.

Elizabeth Warren @ewarren
Washington is failing Native communities, and it's time to fulfill our obligations to Tribal Nations. Today I’m announcing ideas to ensure that tribal sovereignty and our trust and treaty obligations are binding legal and moral principles—not just slogans.

Honoring and Empowering Tribal Nations and Indigenous Peoples
Team Warren
Aug 16 · 35 min read
https://t.co/JT3WA6uMwu?amp=1

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Hours after Trump threatens to "revive" the slur he's trying to use to define Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2019 OP

Do you think they've had this on the shelf, just waiting... LAS14 Aug 2019 #1

. bigtree Aug 2019 #2

Ye I think warren had a plan.... delisen Aug 2019 #5

She had a plan for that... herding cats Aug 2019 #8

This brilliant woman and her team have a plan, and a GOOD plan for everything. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #26

She's damn good. herding cats Aug 2019 #27

No kidding. Here is what I do, if I am in a room of vote blue no matter who only folks, Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #28

Excellent! That's how I've been dealing with this election cycle on a personal level. herding cats Aug 2019 #29

Yes, in a social setting whether a restaurant, in line at the grocery store or on Twitter Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #30

$880 Billion Federal Deficit over 10 months bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #3

That's awesome messaging, the best response because it refocuses on substance femmedem Aug 2019 #6

Saw it on Twitter last time this subject surfaced bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #7

I just got massively shit on for posting the same thing Celerity Aug 2019 #11

And here I thought I went easy on you! WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #16

ha ha Celerity Aug 2019 #17

I appreciate you rethinking it, as well as your good-sportedness in being called out here! XD WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #18

awww hugz Celerity Aug 2019 #19

Using rhetoric that invokes similar slurs based on Native names is offensive. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #15

OK, Please answer Trump's slur in a way that is non-offensive and conveys the same comeback bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #20

And as a multi-ethnic bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #21

"I let it roll off at this point." WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #23

What is your goal in using the term? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #22

The Slur was never retired, it can't be "revived". maxsolomon Aug 2019 #4

When was the last time a candidate released a policy paper on Native Americans? Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #9

A good plan and amazing as a response. Chemisse Aug 2019 #10

This was posted on a Cherokee page yellerpup Aug 2019 #12

That's why I'm supporting her. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #13

btw in case anyone missed it, the 'pocahontas' slur became a staple for limbaugh on certainot Aug 2019 #14

that's... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #24

RIP John Delaney crazytown Aug 2019 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Aug 2019 #31

What? PinkTiger Aug 2019 #33

You are being polite grantcart Aug 2019 #35

The PRESIDENT IS HARRASSING Elizabeth Warren!! bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #32

Wow. Another week thought plan from her RainCaster Aug 2019 #34

LAS14

(13,783 posts)

1. Do you think they've had this on the shelf, just waiting...

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:47 PM

Aug 2019

... for Trump to create a new e-mails/Pocohantas meme? What did he do today?

tia
las

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bigtree

(86,004 posts)

2. .

Reply to LAS14 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:48 PM

Aug 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

delisen

(6,044 posts)

5. Ye I think warren had a plan....

Reply to LAS14 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:13 PM

Aug 2019

Warren will use the smear to focus on justice for Native Americans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

herding cats

(19,566 posts)

8. She had a plan for that...

Reply to LAS14 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:51 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

26. This brilliant woman and her team have a plan, and a GOOD plan for everything.

Reply to herding cats (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:14 PM

Aug 2019

I would love to be saying president Warren someday, I may have to change my choice, we will see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

herding cats

(19,566 posts)

27. She's damn good.

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:29 PM

Aug 2019

If she's the nominee I definitely won't be holding my nose to vote for her. This from a blue no matter who to the bone person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

28. No kidding. Here is what I do, if I am in a room of vote blue no matter who only folks,

Reply to herding cats (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:36 PM

Aug 2019

I will unload on a few of our candidates NOT because I dont like them but because I dont agree with some of their positions or I dont think they are the right person for this time etc.

But I am never going to say that outside of that room, for obvious reasons.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

herding cats

(19,566 posts)

29. Excellent! That's how I've been dealing with this election cycle on a personal level.

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:37 PM

Aug 2019

I have a lot, (hundreds, thousands?) of people who follow me on social media who support other candidates. We're all vote blue no matter who people, though. If not I block them, 'cause this woman has no time for that crap in 2020. Stir the pot and I see it and you're dead to me.

Besides, that's the wrong venue, IMO, to speak to the flaws of our Democratic candidates. I do have my say in person, face to face with real people in Dem meetups where we're polite and have to deal with each other's honest emotions in real-time. That's the proper venue to my eyes. Seems not unlike you?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

30. Yes, in a social setting whether a restaurant, in line at the grocery store or on Twitter

Reply to herding cats (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:47 PM

Aug 2019

etal, I ONLY praise any and all Democratic nominees.

If we are alone I will spill my guts about this or that person and I dont mean the obvious two people I am on record not liking, but other Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)

3. $880 Billion Federal Deficit over 10 months

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:58 PM

Aug 2019

Trump is Brokeahontas

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

femmedem

(8,204 posts)

6. That's awesome messaging, the best response because it refocuses on substance

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:20 PM

Aug 2019

and Trump loses on substance every time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)

7. Saw it on Twitter last time this subject surfaced

Reply to femmedem (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:21 PM

Aug 2019

It withers Trump. Devastating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Celerity

(43,461 posts)

11. I just got massively shit on for posting the same thing

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:18 PM

Aug 2019

so be forewarned

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)

16. And here I thought I went easy on you!

Reply to Celerity (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:35 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Celerity

(43,461 posts)

17. ha ha

Reply to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:37 PM

Aug 2019

I still do not think it was inappropriate, but I am not going to die on that hill.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)

18. I appreciate you rethinking it, as well as your good-sportedness in being called out here! XD

Reply to Celerity (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:42 PM

Aug 2019

We all agree on more than we disagree, and I know I appreciate your posts (which sounds creepy, but your name and avatar stand out to me).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Celerity

(43,461 posts)

19. awww hugz

Reply to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:51 PM

Aug 2019

I guess I am just a firebrand at times when it comes to that fucker Rump. I know the old saying about the pig and mud, but it seems that the who 'broke v poc' thang is perfect framing to not only negate his attacks but truly get under his thin orange skin and make the piece of shit SNAP. Ridicule and neologistic one upmanship are powerful tools to combat bullies like Rump.

I am part Indian myself, just not that (Native American) type, my part is from the Subcontinent, ie. East Indian genetic sourcing, via a West Indian partial background.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)

15. Using rhetoric that invokes similar slurs based on Native names is offensive.

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:34 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)

20. OK, Please answer Trump's slur in a way that is non-offensive and conveys the same comeback

Reply to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:03 PM

Aug 2019

I meant to offend no one, since I didn't start the slur, and really didn't see it that way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)

21. And as a multi-ethnic

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:21 PM

Aug 2019

western European, I've been called many things in my life - Irish potato, Limey, kraut, frog, gumbah - and many worse. I let it roll off at this point. And if it meant Trump loses, you can call me these things every hour forever.

I think we're a little oversensitive. Politically correct is polite, but it's also not the way people think. We simply try to be nice to people. When Trump reaches that goal, I'll feel differently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)

23. "I let it roll off at this point."

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:42 PM

Aug 2019

That's what white privilege is.

When Trump reaches that goal, I'll feel differently.

Insulting Trump with terms that hurt oppressed people isn't the way to get there. That's all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)

22. What is your goal in using the term?

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:40 PM

Aug 2019

How does using the beloved childhood nickname a victim of rape, kidnapping and colonization achieve that goal?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)

4. The Slur was never retired, it can't be "revived".

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:07 PM

Aug 2019

It will be Trump's main weapon against her. Ridicule.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Fiendish Thingy

(15,644 posts)

9. When was the last time a candidate released a policy paper on Native Americans?

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:07 PM

Aug 2019

Not in my lifetime that I know of (born in 1957)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Chemisse

(30,814 posts)

10. A good plan and amazing as a response.

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:08 PM

Aug 2019

Because it reminds people that he's not just ridiculing Warren, he is demeaning the Native American people in yet another example of his cruel and racist self.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)

12. This was posted on a Cherokee page

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:21 PM

Aug 2019

on FB today by a respected culture keeper. I took this a significant because there has been pushback againse her re: Pocahantas. With Deb Haaland's help, that is going to go away. Hopeful.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

PatrickforO

(14,585 posts)

13. That's why I'm supporting her.

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:22 PM

Aug 2019

She really DOES have a plan.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

certainot

(9,090 posts)

14. btw in case anyone missed it, the 'pocahontas' slur became a staple for limbaugh on

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:28 PM

Aug 2019

600 radio stations when she first ran, i think against what's his face scott brown.

trump did not think that up or create that - any talk radio listener will recognize 90% of trump's bullshit ass prechewed for him by limbaugh and then his wannabes.

his base are dittoheads, with fox providing the visual icing on the lie turd pie, and it's a ridiculously incompetent media fuck-up not to recognize and acknowledge that. they don't even poll for it. fox - TV - could not do the repetition needed to establish 'pocahontas'.

trump piggybacks limbaugh, his friend and neighbor in palm beach, probably because the russians could piggyback it with social media as well as feed it - so they could coordinate right under everyone's nose. why would he pay sam nunberg to listen to "1000s of hours of talk radio" in 2014 (NYMagazine 4/3/16) except to help train trump as well as coordinate with trolling ops?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

myohmy2

(3,165 posts)

24. that's...

Reply to bigtree (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:54 PM

Aug 2019

...all well and good but it's not strong enough...

...Elizabeth needs to toughen-up her stand and get much more aggressive with el trumpo...her dignity is on the line...

...over time, maybe she will (if she's capable)

...still, Elizabeth would make a great Vice President...

...Bernie should consider her...

...