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still_one

(92,219 posts)
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:02 AM Aug 2019

REMEMBER WHEN SANDERS VOTED WITH REPUBLICANS AGAINST UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS? (OP ED)

"It goes back to traveling across Texas in 1972 to register Latino voters and to organizing the first-ever White House conference on Hispanic Children and Youth. But it is her time in the U.S. Senate, fighting hard for comprehensive immigration reform that sets her apart from Bernie Sanders. Hillary is the only candidate in this race who has always had our backs.
Six months ago, I did an interview with Larry King where I asked whether Bernie Sanders even liked immigrants or cared about Latinos and our issues. He had been silent on immigration and our other priorities and within a week or two, Sanders was talking about immigration.
He was saying all the right things, but it raised a very important question in my mind: where was Sanders when we really needed him? I have observed Sanders first in the House of Representatives and later in the Senate and I have to say, he was absent from most of the crucial immigration debates. And when he did show up, his record was troubling.
Think about 2005 and 2006, when House Republicans were devising harsher and harsher measures to deport and criminalize immigrants and had passed the Sensenbrenner Bill – the notorious HR 4437 bill – that would have deported everyone and made criminals of families, care-givers, bus drivers and priests who had contact with undocumented immigrants. Where was Sanders? He was mostly silent when we needed champions to defend our community.
And worse, at a few critical moments in 2006, he broke with Democrats and progressives and stood with the hardline anti-immigrant wing of the Republican Party."

….

"The House passed a bill that would have allowed undocumented immigrants to be detained indefinitely and curtailed avenues to fight deportation in court. The ACLU called the bill “inhumane” and the National Council of La Raza called it a “very ugly, very harmful enforcement-only approach… to criminalize the undocumented population.” And it was a bill to which Representative Bernie Sanders said “aye.”
The same year, House Republicans were playing politics on behalf of their friends in the Minutemen, the vigilantes who set up outposts at the border to hunt immigrants. Republicans even crafted a bill that played right into one of their right-wing conspiracy theories that the U.S. government was somehow guiding immigrants past the Minutemen camps in the desert.
And when Republican Representative Jack Kingston put forward an amendment restricting the Department of Homeland Security from revealing information about groups like the Minutemen – a pure fantasy driven by anti-immigrant pandering to the right-wing -- Representative Sanders took the bait, split with Latinos and progressives in Congress, and voted in favor of this absurd measure. I guess the campaign he was running for Senate in Vermont at the time was more important to him than standing up for decency and common sense when our community was on the line.
It did not get better when he got to the Senate. The next year, while Hillary was working hard to help Ted Kennedy and myself and the broad bipartisan coalition that backed comprehensive immigration reform bill, Senator Sanders voted against it six times. He even went on the Lou Dobbs show on CNN – the number one propaganda broadcast of the anti-immigration movement at the time – to proclaim how immigrants were bad for the American economy and other twisted ideas about immigrants. It was straight from the Republican anti-immigration playbook"



https://www.univision.com/noticias/opinion/sanders-voted-with-republicans

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REMEMBER WHEN SANDERS VOTED WITH REPUBLICANS AGAINST UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS? (OP ED) (Original Post) still_one Aug 2019 OP
K&R betsuni Aug 2019 #1
K&R. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #2
It is notable that Representative Steve King murielm99 Aug 2019 #3
If there ever was a good time to use the term "Disqualifying"... Hav Aug 2019 #5
What a load of guilt by association. This whole thread is a smear. yerop Aug 2019 #13
That is a rationalization for one of the votes for the bills Hav Aug 2019 #19
Sanders and Dobbs, two peas in a pond on immigration lunamagica Aug 2019 #23
another lie, another smear yerop Aug 2019 #25
I know him well, thank you very much. I notice you don't even mention the video I posted lunamagica Aug 2019 #26
We don't need no socialist education. MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #27
Educate oneself by reading jacobin magazine? Where was he five years after that sit-in? George II Aug 2019 #28
Thank you for the reminder, Cha Aug 2019 #4
What a smear. Sanders was against Guest Worker programs because they were "akin to slavery." yerop Aug 2019 #6
Thank you. Joe941 Aug 2019 #7
Rightwing propaganda wants to divide us EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #9
This Hispanic will never forget Sanders appearing on Lou Dobbs lunamagica Aug 2019 #24
Disappointing Roy Rolling Aug 2019 #10
Exactly. This is shameful. Joe941 Aug 2019 #12
If you are a poor peasant in Mexico, Sanders and similar politicians aren't your friend. They don't Hoyt Aug 2019 #52
Exactly so... comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #60
That's revisionist history, not what he said at the time lunamagica Aug 2019 #20
Nope, not buying it. That's not what he said back then lunamagica Aug 2019 #22
+1 dalton99a Aug 2019 #38
There's always some minor, obscure reason to vote against a Democratic bill or... George II Aug 2019 #29
Hey, paragraphs matter! abqtommy Aug 2019 #8
Yep, as one of the frontrunners, he's got to explain silence and harsh votes. ancianita Aug 2019 #11
His Vote on the IWR should be a disqualifier. bahrbearian Aug 2019 #14
Wow - just wow! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #15
let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #16
Do DU Rules say anything about all-caps? NT Eric J in MN Aug 2019 #17
Others have posted the stated reason for his vote karynnj Aug 2019 #18
Many? MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #33
Definitely a presence in the city karynnj Aug 2019 #40
I remember and will never forget. I find it amusing how lunamagica Aug 2019 #21
Do you have a video of that appearance or a link to it, lunamagica? Princetonian Aug 2019 #31
Here lunamagica Aug 2019 #35
I remember when he voted against the Brady Bill... SidDithers Aug 2019 #30
Yup still_one Aug 2019 #32
But but but... MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #34
And the Amber alert lunamagica Aug 2019 #36
He Voted Against The Amber Alert? Me. Aug 2019 #41
Beats me. Over 600 children have been saved by the Amber alert. Imagine voting lunamagica Aug 2019 #42
Even If It Was Just One Child Me. Aug 2019 #47
I'm confident it won't come to that lunamagica Aug 2019 #50
A BernFire Of An Election? Me. Aug 2019 #51
Sometimes good people make made votes. CASE CLOSED. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #37
Bernie is still framing the immigration debate in racial terms - Why? dalton99a Aug 2019 #39
Why indeed lunamagica Aug 2019 #43
+1, he should apologize for his offensive statements, too. nt R B Garr Aug 2019 #44
Kick mcar Aug 2019 #45
I remember these votes Gothmog Aug 2019 #46
K&R nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #48
Never forget kcr Aug 2019 #49
And again we must ask-- if Bernie had immigrants on his mind all this time... TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #53
Good question lunamagica Aug 2019 #57
K&R nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #54
KICK! Cha Aug 2019 #55
K&R brer cat Aug 2019 #56
Didn't he also agree with Repuglicans about Russian interference? n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #58
Some people have memory & good sources. Others have indignation, denial & excuses... Hekate Aug 2019 #59
 

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
2. K&R.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:12 AM
Aug 2019

What a contrast to other Democrats like Beto and Castro.

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murielm99

(30,745 posts)
3. It is notable that Representative Steve King
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:23 AM
Aug 2019

is mentioned in this article. He admired Bernie's position on immigration.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
5. If there ever was a good time to use the term "Disqualifying"...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:47 AM
Aug 2019

it's when a far right, white supremacist, racist Repub remarks how your positions on immigration are to the right of moderate Republicans.

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yerop

(89 posts)
13. What a load of guilt by association. This whole thread is a smear.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:34 AM
Aug 2019

Sanders was on the side of the SPLC on this one.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
19. That is a rationalization for one of the votes for the bills
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:05 AM
Aug 2019

mentioned in the article. There are other instances where Sanders preferred to side with the far right anti-immigration Repubs instead of the Democrats.

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
23. Sanders and Dobbs, two peas in a pond on immigration
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:39 AM
Aug 2019
&t=251s
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yerop

(89 posts)
25. another lie, another smear
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:46 AM
Aug 2019

Sanders has fought for racial justice for over 50 years. You'd have to be extremely delusional to say he's in the same "pod" as nativist Dobbs.

Educate yourself a little: https://jacobinmag.com/2018/06/bernie-sanders-civil-rights-movement-activism

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
26. I know him well, thank you very much. I notice you don't even mention the video I posted
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:50 AM
Aug 2019

Any opinion on his stand-alone amendment in support of the Minutemen, or in the Sierra Blanca toxic waste dump?

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
27. We don't need no socialist education.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:57 AM
Aug 2019


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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. Educate oneself by reading jacobin magazine? Where was he five years after that sit-in?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:59 AM
Aug 2019
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Cha

(297,323 posts)
4. Thank you for the reminder,
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:28 AM
Aug 2019

still_one.

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yerop

(89 posts)
6. What a smear. Sanders was against Guest Worker programs because they were "akin to slavery."
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:22 AM
Aug 2019

Guest workers programs were being abused to fill IT jobs etc. because they worked cheaper than American IT workers, and the Guest Worker programs took away so many rights of the workers that the SPLC called them "akin to slavery." As always, Sanders was fighting income inequality & corporations ripping off American workers while working FOR workers rights.

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EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
9. Rightwing propaganda wants to divide us
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:52 AM
Aug 2019

The key goal of the right on the Internet today is to divide the Dem coalition- for example to divide whites and Hispanics, and whites and blacks.

Don’t let them

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
24. This Hispanic will never forget Sanders appearing on Lou Dobbs
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:41 AM
Aug 2019
&t=251s
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Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
10. Disappointing
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:52 AM
Aug 2019

Disappointing to see this on DU. If you hate Sanders, find a genuine issue to debate.

This OP “reminder” is myopic, shortsighted, and totally lacks context.

Sanders was right—the guest worker program is used by Republicans to replace qualified American workers with cheaper, foreign workers. It was a Trojan horse.

Find another issue to express a grievance with Sanders, this is propaganda.

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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
12. Exactly. This is shameful.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:54 AM
Aug 2019
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
52. If you are a poor peasant in Mexico, Sanders and similar politicians aren't your friend. They don't
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:29 PM
Aug 2019

They don't want you here, they are against trade agreements that might help you, they too are for tariffs, etc. They might not be quite as hateful in describing their America First or "Economic Patriotism" as trump, but the results are the same.

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
20. That's revisionist history, not what he said at the time
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:31 AM
Aug 2019

Remember him on Lou Dobbs? They sounded like two peas in a pond

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
22. Nope, not buying it. That's not what he said back then
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:38 AM
Aug 2019
&t=251s
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George II

(67,782 posts)
29. There's always some minor, obscure reason to vote against a Democratic bill or...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:00 AM
Aug 2019

...for a republican bill.

He voted against giving Dreamers a path to citizenship.

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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
8. Hey, paragraphs matter!
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:50 AM
Aug 2019
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ancianita

(36,095 posts)
11. Yep, as one of the frontrunners, he's got to explain silence and harsh votes.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:53 AM
Aug 2019

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bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
14. His Vote on the IWR should be a disqualifier.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:50 AM
Aug 2019
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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
17. Do DU Rules say anything about all-caps? NT
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:00 AM
Aug 2019

NT

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karynnj

(59,504 posts)
18. Others have posted the stated reason for his vote
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:05 AM
Aug 2019

I will add that Bernie was mayor of Burlington when Chittendon county became a refugee resettlement area. That means that there are many Somali, Vietnamese, Nepalese, Iraqis, people from the Congo etc in Burlington and the surrounding area. Obviously, not the action of someone against immigrants! ( Before it is questioned, the mayors of the cities would be the top local officials.)

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
33. Many?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:03 AM
Aug 2019

Burlington is 85% white.



2016: The racial makeup of the city was 85.7% White, 4.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 6.0% Asian (1.3% Chinese, 1.1% Bhutanese, 0.9% Nepalese, 0.6% Vietnamese, 0.5% Indian, 0.4% Burmese, 0.3% Indonesian, 0.2% Korean, 0.1% Cambodian, 0.1% Laotian, 0.1% Filipino, 0.1% Japanese, 0.1% Thai), and 2.5% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population (0.7% Puerto Rican, 0.4% Mexican, 0.3% Dominican, 0.2% Cuban, 0.2% Spanish, 0.2% Colombian, 0.1% Honduran, 0.1% Peruvian, 0.1% Argentine).

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karynnj

(59,504 posts)
40. Definitely a presence in the city
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:55 AM
Aug 2019

I realize that many major cities have greater percents of people not born in the US. However, these immigrants, including two city councilors out of 12, make an impact on the character of the town.
It is common to see people dressed in their traditional garb. I never saw that in suburban NJ.

The point is that Burlington, under Sanders, welcomed refugees and still does. Sorry, you can not accept that.

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
21. I remember and will never forget. I find it amusing how
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:35 AM
Aug 2019

They want to backpedal and pretend it was out of concern for poor immigrants, when you can see in his a[[appearance on Lou Dobbs he doesn't care for them AT ALL

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
31. Do you have a video of that appearance or a link to it, lunamagica?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:01 AM
Aug 2019

Thanks!

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
30. I remember when he voted against the Brady Bill...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:01 AM
Aug 2019

5 times.

Sid

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
34. But but but...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:04 AM
Aug 2019

Reasons.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
41. He Voted Against The Amber Alert?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:55 AM
Aug 2019

Why on earth?

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
42. Beats me. Over 600 children have been saved by the Amber alert. Imagine voting
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:06 AM
Aug 2019

against that?

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
47. Even If It Was Just One Child
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:23 PM
Aug 2019

I have to say I hope someone else will be our nom as voting for him will be necessary but oh so difficult

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
50. I'm confident it won't come to that
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

He is crashing and Berning! That's why he is acting so desperate

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
51. A BernFire Of An Election?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:26 PM
Aug 2019
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
37. Sometimes good people make made votes. CASE CLOSED. nt
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:31 AM
Aug 2019
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dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
39. Bernie is still framing the immigration debate in racial terms - Why?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:55 AM
Aug 2019

Nobody, I mean not many people believe in open borders. If you simply opened the borders, you’d have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in. And no one thinks that is a plausible approach. On the other hand, I think the strength of this nation is the diversity and the new ideas from immigrants from all walks of life have given this country. So you need a rational, non-racist immigration policy which welcomes people in from all over the world to improve our economy, but clearly you cannot have open borders.”


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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
44. +1, he should apologize for his offensive statements, too. nt
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:22 AM
Aug 2019
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Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
46. I remember these votes
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:42 AM
Aug 2019
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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
53. And again we must ask-- if Bernie had immigrants on his mind all this time...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:47 PM
Aug 2019

where is his legislation? McConnell hasn't been there for decades.

Is it true he only shows up when he can vote against immigrants on some specious small point?

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
58. Didn't he also agree with Repuglicans about Russian interference? n/t
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019
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Hekate

(90,714 posts)
59. Some people have memory & good sources. Others have indignation, denial & excuses...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:52 AM
Aug 2019

Thanks, still_one.

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