Democratic Primaries

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts) Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:10 PM Aug 2019

Biden saying that "there's an awful lot of really good Republicans" is outrageous and unacceptable

It should be "there ARE an awful lot etc."

Even better would be "there are probably still a few etc."

Precision is important.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Biden saying that "there's an awful lot of really good Republicans" is outrageous and unacceptable (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Aug 2019 OP

Shoulda rearranged it to... Cirque du So-What Aug 2019 #1

Lot is singular. A lot. One lot. A singular lot of whatever. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2019 #2

Yes, this is correct l, and it has the added benefit that it enough Aug 2019 #5

Not always... lapucelle Aug 2019 #10

Grammar was different when he grew up! DrToast Aug 2019 #3

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #6

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #7

Nope. He was pointing at a group of Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #8

Pained face here. He's NOT talking about the corrupt, treasonous Hortensis Aug 2019 #9

+100,000,000,000,000 Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #11

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #12

In awe of this post...just wonderful! Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #16

Please see Post #17. DavidDvorkin Sep 2019 #24

Sorry, David. Way too subtle for a knee-jerk environment. Hortensis Sep 2019 #26

+10000 emmaverybo Sep 2019 #31

Exactly. In those critical swing states this can win some over. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #35

IF a Democrats wins in 2020, that Democrats will have to repair the damage done by trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #13

Yes! emmaverybo Sep 2019 #32

The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess Gothmog Sep 2019 #34

Trump is "outrageous and unacceptable"... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #14

No it is not and this was posted yesterday...courting the other sides voters who are not Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #15

Did you read the post DavidDvorkin Aug 2019 #17

I read the post ...guess I have seen so many such posts that are serious...I missed the humor. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #18

Understood DavidDvorkin Aug 2019 #19

Jill Biden-Joe will win this election Gothmog Aug 2019 #20

We've got a winner flamingdem Aug 2019 #21

I agree with her DavidDvorkin Aug 2019 #22

Joe Biden still bests fellow Democrats on electability, polls show Gothmog Sep 2019 #23

Yeah ... without grammar police BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #25

So, There's no new outrage... let's recycle this one Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #27

How about "republicans are an awful lot?" Merlot Sep 2019 #28

OP shoulda - OhZone Sep 2019 #29

that's funny... myohmy2 Sep 2019 #30

In retrospect, perhaps I should have included some indication that the OP was meant as sarcasm DavidDvorkin Sep 2019 #33

Cirque du So-What

(25,947 posts)

1. Shoulda rearranged it to...

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:14 PM

Aug 2019

'they are awful - the lot of 'em.'

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Iggo

(47,558 posts)

2. Lot is singular. A lot. One lot. A singular lot of whatever. (n/t)

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:15 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

enough

(13,259 posts)

5. Yes, this is correct l, and it has the added benefit that it

Reply to Iggo (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:30 PM

Aug 2019

makes clear that the whole lot is awful (which probably isn’t what he meant to say but possibly what he was thinking.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

lapucelle

(18,276 posts)

10. Not always...

Reply to Iggo (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:04 PM

Aug 2019

... it depends on whether a count noun or mass noun follows the expression.

A lot of soda is in the fridge.
A lot of bottles of soda are in the fridge.

There are a lot of bottles in the fridge.
There is a lot of soda in the fridge.

Joe's locution might not be grammatically perfect... but it is an example of exactly the kind of down to earth, colloquial English that most of us use every single day.

There is nothing whatsoever outrageous about wht Joe said or how he sid it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DrToast

(6,414 posts)

3. Grammar was different when he grew up!

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:16 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)

4. good let's go Joe !

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:25 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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BannonsLiver This message was self-deleted by its author.

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Voltaire2

(13,063 posts)

8. Nope. He was pointing at a group of

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:46 PM

Aug 2019

Republican legislators up for sale.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

9. Pained face here. He's NOT talking about the corrupt, treasonous

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:40 PM

Aug 2019

Republican leadership but those he's wooing to rebel more and even to flat kick them out.

Just how long does anyone imagine how big this conflagration can continue to grow before it permanently destroys what our nation once was?

As for how not-wonderful conservative voters are, an awful lot those on the left are sounding more and more like trumpsters all the time. The harnessing and feeding of people's worst, most dishonest and self-destructive traits in the name of hyper-partisanship doesn't work only on conservatives. It's spreading to useful fools on the left and is exactly what the Putins and McConnells want.

But people like Biden are telling them a big "NO!" They're not going to get us to destroy ourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)

11. +100,000,000,000,000

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:58 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)

12. +∞

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:46 AM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

16. In awe of this post...just wonderful!

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:16 AM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

24. Please see Post #17.

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:16 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

26. Sorry, David. Way too subtle for a knee-jerk environment.

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:29 PM

Sep 2019

I might at least have gotten excited about the egregious grammar issues instead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)

31. +10000

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:28 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)

35. Exactly. In those critical swing states this can win some over.

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:28 PM

Sep 2019

Probably part of why he keeps polling so strongly in the match-ups against Trump in those states compared to the rest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)

13. IF a Democrats wins in 2020, that Democrats will have to repair the damage done by trump

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:50 AM

Aug 2019

If a Democrat wins in 2020 (that is NOT a given), that Democrat will have to rebuild our country. trump has done a tremendous amount of damage to the institutions. The State department has been gutted and other organizations decimated. That work will require working with republicans. Tom Perez and Eric Holder had to rebuild the voting rights and civil rights sections of the DOJ after 8 years of Bush. trump has probably done far more damage to these institutions in just one term. Rebuilding our institutions after trump will not be easy and will take the cooperation of both Democrats and many Republicans.

It is not assured that any Democrat can win in 2020. Most POTUS are re-elected unless there is a recession. If a Democrat wins in 2020, that Democrat will have a very hard job of undoing the damage done by trump and that work will require working with republicans as well as Democrats. Again, I live in Texas which is still a red state but may change. That means that I have to live with and work with republicans in the real world. I think that there are many good republicans and we will need these republicans to rebuild our government IF trump is defeated.

This polling is interesting

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)

32. Yes!

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:30 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)

34. The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess

Reply to emmaverybo (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:06 PM

Sep 2019

This is one of the reasons why I think that Joe Biden is the best candidate. Who ever is the nominee will have to be prepared to fix all of the damage that trump has done to our government.

Link to tweet

Perhaps the most straightforward and least complicated undertaking, since it would be entirely within the next president’s purview, is rebuilding the executive branch from the corrupted ruin Trump will leave behind.

One of the most underreported stories about the Trump administration is its basic incompetence. Perhaps Trump’s biggest con of all was convincing his supporters that he was some sort of business wizard with a genius for management. In truth, the Trump Organization was a mom-and-pop family business that he repeatedly micromanaged to the brink of collapse. He is doing exactly the same with the government of the United States.

The White House itself is less like “The West Wing” than “Game of Thrones.” Courtiers vie for the favor of the Mad King, unable or unwilling to perform normal duties for fear of risking Trump’s ire. Usually, the White House is a place where information from outside sources is synthesized and digested so the president can make the best possible decisions. Under Trump, the flow is reversed — his whims, however ill-informed or contradictory or just plain loopy, are tweeted out and must be made into policy.

Agencies vital to our national security — including the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency — lumber along, month after month, without permanent leadership. “It’s easier to make moves when they’re acting,” Trump has said, but really the situation reflects his own insecurity. By keeping his underlings weak and beholden only to him, he limits their power — and thus hamstrings the departments they nominally lead.

Joe Biden is the best candidate to repair the damage done by trump. I think that the repair of this damage will keep the next Democratic President very busy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)

14. Trump is "outrageous and unacceptable"...

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:54 AM

Aug 2019

Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

15. No it is not and this was posted yesterday...courting the other sides voters who are not

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:14 AM

Aug 2019

awful...not all of them anyway...like my brother is good politics...ever here of Reagan Democrats? What now we need a purity test to decide who can vote for us? It seems like some are bent on losing this election...not saying you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

17. Did you read the post

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:50 AM

Aug 2019

Or just respond to the Subject?

The post is clearly making fun of those who are affecting outrage over Biden's statement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

18. I read the post ...guess I have seen so many such posts that are serious...I missed the humor.

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:12 PM

Aug 2019

Mea Culpa!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

19. Understood

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:38 PM

Aug 2019

I should have realized it might been lost in the flood of real attacks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)

20. Jill Biden-Joe will win this election

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:29 PM

Aug 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)

21. We've got a winner

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

Aug 2019

We will have

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

22. I agree with her

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:54 PM

Aug 2019

If he's the nominee, which is the way to bet right now, he'll squish Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)

23. Joe Biden still bests fellow Democrats on electability, polls show

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 02:14 PM

Sep 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BlueMississippi

(776 posts)

25. Yeah ... without grammar police

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:24 PM

Sep 2019

Biden's statement is completely incomprehensible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)

27. So, There's no new outrage... let's recycle this one

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:33 PM

Sep 2019

One would think they would get the message the faux Biden attacks aren’t working... but then again

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287268166

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Merlot

(9,696 posts)

28. How about "republicans are an awful lot?"

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:57 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

OhZone

(3,212 posts)

29. OP shoulda -

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:02 PM

Sep 2019

said LOL or something (haha, lulz, kek) to make the joke obvious. I was mad at just the subject. ha

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)

30. that's funny...

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:21 PM

Sep 2019

...I've never met one...

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

33. In retrospect, perhaps I should have included some indication that the OP was meant as sarcasm

Reply to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:47 PM

Sep 2019

But I really thought it was so overdone that it was obvious.

I wasn't taking into account how overdone some actual faux outrage is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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