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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:10 PM Aug 2019

We talked to experts on aging about the 2020 field. Here's what they told us. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/20/joe-biden-old-age-1468635


We talked to experts on aging about the 2020 field. Here’s what they told us.

One medical expert says Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump are part of the population known as 'superagers.'


-snip-

But concerns about Biden’s age and mental fitness are likely overblown, according to experts on aging and the brain, as well as actuarial tables used by the insurance industry to estimate the health and longevity of customers.

The two brain aneurysms Biden suffered in 1988 were fully treated and he showed no signs of mental trouble as a result, said Dr. Neal Kassell, who performed the surgery on Biden three decades ago. Nor did Biden suffer any brain damage that could come back to haunt him in old age, Kassell said.

“He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I haven’t seen any change,” Kassell said. “I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever.”

Biden isn’t the only presidential candidate facing questions about age — five of them are 70 or older, including 73-year-old Donald Trump — but there's reason not to fret about the others, either.

-snip-

But Olshansky points out that presidential candidates are probably healthier than the average U.S. citizen — and will likely live longer than the average as a result. People who have good health care, are more highly educated and have pensions generally live longer.

“They all belong to a subgroup of the population that is privileged. And privileged subgroups tend to live longer and better than the average,” Olshansky said. “Despite Bernie Sanders perhaps claiming otherwise, he’s part of the 1 percent. Actually, it’s more like 1/100 of 1 percent.”

Olshansky said the older candidates could belong to a group of what are called “superagers,” people who live into their 80s but show a mental sharpness as if they were in their 50s or 60s.

-snip-

Biden’s physician, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, said in a statement provided by the campaign that “Vice President Biden is in excellent physical condition. He is more than capable of handling the rigors of the campaign and the office for which he is running.”

Kassell, who performed brain surgery on Biden, went a step further: “I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.”

-snip-



The article goes on to refer to a 2011 study by Olshansky (who led a recent study of 2020 presidential candidates for the American Federation for Aging Research) that showed 2/3 of our past presidents who've died of natural causes lived longer than what was predicted by actuarial tables, indicating that even though the office of president supposedly ages people more quickly than normal, people healthy enough to run for president and win will generally tend to live longer than expected anyway.

Much more at the link.


So Biden, Sanders and Warren are superagers.

I like that.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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We talked to experts on aging about the 2020 field. Here's what they told us. (Politico) (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2019 OP
Things change with aging in spite of how well virgogal Aug 2019 #1
So why is Warren your preference? highplainsdem Aug 2019 #2
ZING! Princetonian Aug 2019 #3
Boom! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #4
Bada-bing Hekate Aug 2019 #9
Biden is 76 and warren is 70 Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #15
Truth loyalsister Aug 2019 #10
Warren is over 70...so ? Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #12
Correction: she IS 70. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #16
not really. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #17
Just a little. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #18
I mean, technically she is over 70...her birthday was in June - so, she's a month over 70. Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #20
Those who are aggressively ageist may not be convinced, but I am glad these DRs. are speaking out hlthe2b Aug 2019 #5
'aggressively ageist' likely not convinced ever. elleng Aug 2019 #7
"I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning" Hekate Aug 2019 #6
YES! elleng Aug 2019 #8
For people who know the effects of aging first hand, it is a legitimate issue. elocs Aug 2019 #11
anecdotal 'evidence' should not be used to smear a candidate;your experience is not their exerience Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #13
My experience is not anecdotal for me and for me it is legitimate. elocs Aug 2019 #29
for you...it may be. But to apply such 'evidence' to others is wrong because it has merit for you Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #31
If there is objective evidence specific to any candidate of cognitive decline, sure it's an issue. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #14
Concerns about Biden's age and mental fitness are likely overblown Gothmog Aug 2019 #19
"He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago" crazytown Aug 2019 #21
Put down the reading LASSES? Oh, what an interesting image! highplainsdem Aug 2019 #22
Ooops. I need my glasses :) crazytown Aug 2019 #23
LOL! We all make typos, crazytown. I've corrected more than a few today, some after I'd posted. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #24
woof! crazytown Aug 2019 #25
Awww, love that photo! highplainsdem Aug 2019 #26
I found that photo crazytown Aug 2019 #27
Not necessarily true. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #32
The capacity for sound decision making can actually increase with age. It is also true that the emmaverybo Aug 2019 #28
Two of the three seem to actually exercise and take care of themselves. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30
 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
1. Things change with aging in spite of how well
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:16 PM
Aug 2019

you have taken care of yourself.I would be more comfortable with a younger president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
2. So why is Warren your preference?
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:18 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
9. Bada-bing
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:52 PM
Aug 2019

Shhhh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
15. Biden is 76 and warren is 70
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 02:23 PM
Aug 2019

The poster is clearly suporting a younger candidate. The other of whom will be in his 80s before his first term is up.


I on the other hand am not using age as a qualification here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
10. Truth
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:54 PM
Aug 2019

I have been hoping a younger candidate would emerge with plans and ideas and economic expertise Warren has, but it hasn't happened yet.
I do have concerns about her age, but if I were going to vote today it would be her.
Anything that compromises our physical and cognitive wellness can happen to any of us, odds of that happening increase with age. Exceptions don't disprove the rule. I think it's a relevant factor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
12. Warren is over 70...so ?
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
16. Correction: she IS 70.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 02:25 PM
Aug 2019

Saying she is over 70 is kind of misleading.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
20. I mean, technically she is over 70...her birthday was in June - so, she's a month over 70.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:09 PM
Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
5. Those who are aggressively ageist may not be convinced, but I am glad these DRs. are speaking out
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:21 PM
Aug 2019

None of our candidates is the physical (and mental) wreck that Trump is and has been for at least a decade.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

elleng

(131,129 posts)
7. 'aggressively ageist' likely not convinced ever.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:44 PM
Aug 2019

I ignore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
6. "I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning"
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:25 PM
Aug 2019

...said Joe Biden's brain surgeon. Damn that made me laugh out loud.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

elocs

(22,609 posts)
11. For people who know the effects of aging first hand, it is a legitimate issue.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:28 PM
Aug 2019

But I've noticed here they get put-down in an attempt to shut them up by labeling them as "ageist".
Sounds a lot like how those who are perceived as not being sufficiently liberal enough get smeared as being "DINOs" or "Republican Lite".

An explanation such as in the OP is preferable to name calling and reading supporters get bent out of shape and defensive about any question concerning their candidate's age.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
13. anecdotal 'evidence' should not be used to smear a candidate;your experience is not their exerience
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:41 PM
Aug 2019

Also, there is such a thing as early dementia you know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

elocs

(22,609 posts)
29. My experience is not anecdotal for me and for me it is legitimate.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:59 PM
Aug 2019

But Biden supporters are so hyper sensitive and defensive about is age that they want to brand you as ageist even if you bring it up.
But it's disingenuous to claim that old age makes no difference because anybody over 65 who is honest about it would tell you it does, that it can. And just because someone raises age as a legitimate concern does not mean they are smearing Biden who evidently has a thicker skin about the issue than do his supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
31. for you...it may be. But to apply such 'evidence' to others is wrong because it has merit for you
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:28 PM
Aug 2019

only. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence and should not be used to determine a person's mental capacity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. If there is objective evidence specific to any candidate of cognitive decline, sure it's an issue.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:49 PM
Aug 2019

If however, there is no objective evidence, it's (at best) merely a bumper sticker or (at worst) simply another volley of nothing-burgers thrown at the wall in hope one sticks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
19. Concerns about Biden's age and mental fitness are likely overblown
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:06 PM
Aug 2019


But concerns about Biden’s age and mental fitness are likely overblown, according to experts on aging and the brain, as well as actuarial tables used by the insurance industry to estimate the health and longevity of customers.....

“He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I haven’t seen any change,” Kassell said. “I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever.”...

“When you hear somebody on TV and they make a mistake during a speech or a debate, you’ve got to cut them some slack,” Olshansky said. “If you’ve ever given a speech, it’s not easy standing in front of a crowd of people — especially standing in front of television cameras with millions of people watching — and avoiding verbal mistakes.”

Biden’s physician, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, said in a statement provided by the campaign that “Vice President Biden is in excellent physical condition. He is more than capable of handling the rigors of the campaign and the office for which he is running.”

Kassell, who performed brain surgery on Biden, went a step further: “I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
21. "He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago"
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:57 PM
Aug 2019

Put down the reading lasses. Not a truthful thing for a neurologist to say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
22. Put down the reading LASSES? Oh, what an interesting image!
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:05 PM
Aug 2019

And, ahem, a gaffe, or at least a typo. Please don't worry about what it says about your age.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
23. Ooops. I need my glasses :)
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:09 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
24. LOL! We all make typos, crazytown. I've corrected more than a few today, some after I'd posted.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Aug 2019

But that was a remarkably funny one.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
26. Awww, love that photo!
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:19 PM
Aug 2019

And speaking of photos, did you notice that the new Biden ad uses that Oval Office photo you found last month?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=246449

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
27. I found that photo
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:28 PM
Aug 2019

by searching Oval Office and sunshine ... and up came Barack and Joe, from the Obama library. I had not seen it before. It's now a favorite ... excellent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
32. Not necessarily true.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:30 PM
Aug 2019

You don't like Biden so you don't want t believe it...I had an 80 + year old lawyer during a malpractice suit years ago...he was sharp as a tack. Biden is fit and seems fine to me...but then I like him. Warren is not much younger so people could say the same about her...I wouldn't of course.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
28. The capacity for sound decision making can actually increase with age. It is also true that the
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:40 PM
Aug 2019

majority of senior adults do NOT go on to dementia and other cognitive disorders. We will look back someday and realize that our older adult candidates helped to break ageist stereotypes.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-potential-of-the-aging-mind_b_7989946

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,460 posts)
30. Two of the three seem to actually exercise and take care of themselves.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 05:05 PM
Aug 2019

I’m pretty sure Biden and Warren could run a couple miles without much difficulty, if any at all. Bernie and Donnie not so much.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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