Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJill Biden: 'Swallow a little bit' and vote for Joe
"Your candidate might be better on, I don't know, health care, than Joe is, but you've got to look at who's going to win this election," she said. "And maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, 'OK, I personally like so and so better,' but your bottom line has to be that we have to beat Trump."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/19/politics/jill-biden-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump/index.html
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Is that gonna be his primary campaign slogan? LOL
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,575 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...not persuading, presumptuous and arrogant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,523 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)On point, and ACCURATE.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,523 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...and stifling progressive initiatives and change to mollify conservative voters.
The "no, we can't" approach bases it's reticence for progressive change on fear of Trump voters. Not exactly a rallying cry for a new generation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ponietz
(3,001 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(86,005 posts)Kamala Harris has NEVER lost an election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)young and will have more opportunities to run ....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...for her re-election as president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)She is young enough. Of course if something happens and she is the surprise nominee, she has my vote in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)I like Joe don't get me wrong...but it is all about kicking out the orange menace.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,056 posts)Kamala would make a great VP for Biden. One thing this " youngun' " needs to learn is not to burn bridges with people. As the saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows, and you never know when you'll need the political capital from others, or for others to lend you theirs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,056 posts)rebuttal earlier. She's slid down to 5% now i think?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,056 posts)Senate now, remind me?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Locrian
(4,522 posts)I wonder what the numbers would be w/o the Obama connection/name recognition?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,672 posts)I don't see her being presumptuous or arrogant ever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(86,005 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 21, 2019, 03:46 PM - Edit history (1)
...this is the primary where voters bring their issues forward and look for candidates who will represent those in the election and beyond.
Selling ourselves short right now may be well and good for the former second lady, but many of us have been through campaigns before where we're promised to just get this candidate or that in the door and everything will magically fall in place.
It NEVER happens that ignored issues, concerns given short shrift for political expediency, initiatives shelved because some republican somewhere won't vote for it, somehow resurrect themselves after election day.
We have a wide and diverse field of candidates to choose from. ANY of the top tier can move on from our convention with almost the entire party behind them, and then some. None of these candidates should expect to lose against Trump.
It's campaign fiction that Biden is the best candidate to beat Trump. His 'electability' quotient is an invention of polling, more that something concrete about Biden. His 'experience' is that he ran three times for president, on his own, and lost three times.
The Bidens should be humbled by those experiences, but they're out here claiming he's a lock. Forgive my political memory, but her husband has more to prove to me than where he stands in the polls over a year out from the election.
If they want to make it their strategy to portray other campaigns as one-issue, or inferior, that's their call, but we have several capable candidates who haven't experienced three failed presidential runs, candidates who are proposing different solutions, different approaches, different initiatives, and suggesting we "swallow a little" at this point is just condescending and arrogant, not withstanding Jill Biden's good character.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Very well stated
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)matters posted at least twice before. I agree with her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie will trounce the Racist-in-Chief!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)Thanks for todays edition of unintentional comedy. It really hit the spot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bloom
(11,635 posts)There is actually no reason for me to think that Biden would win.
He might get more of the white male democrats and some of the independents - but if everyone else yawns and stays home - he's not going to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)to begin the job immediately with his experience...it doesn't matter how pure your criteria is...if your person can't get elected...it is for nothing...which is why candidates usually move to the center in the general...but this year...most have gone way to far left...we have a winning issue with the ACA...MFA not so much. Open borders, reparations, free college etc...most worthy ideas but will kill us in a general. Dr. Jill is correct. You pick any other candidate than Biden, Trump wins.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,056 posts)No one candidate will meet everyone's expectations. Joe has the best qualifications. You might not like some things about him and you might like others. But as the polls show, he stands above the others consistently at the top, and he sure as heck is alot better than the DOTUS we have now. Im banking on his electability.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)"no swallowing required."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Steyer's not the one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and his wife can swallow, the rest of us need not do that until the GE. If at all. The primary has a way to go and there are still good people in the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)means nothing at this time. It will fluctuate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Six months is a long time, and things will change, poll numbers will change, and until then we have a lot of great candidates who are "electable" to listen to and make a choice. Joe is NOT the only one who can win!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Biden 42 vs Trump 35
Sanders 40 vs Trump 35
Warren 35 vs Trump 35
Harris 32 vs Trump 35
Booker 28 vs Trump 35
Buttigieg 27 vs Trump 35
O'Rourke 28 vs Trump 36
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rpannier
(24,333 posts)Agree we have to beat il douche
I don't think Biden is the best choice to do that
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,398 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)It seems like a demand to not think.
we are the citizens, we are the people, we have enough Republicans eager to bury democracy. I do not appreciate this coming from democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrank
(11,100 posts)swallowed a little bit and now our president cages children and is trying to buy Denmark.
We have several qualified candidates, so I plan to listen and learn. Many of our candidates have a fresh, forward-leaning approach to old problems and a very different way of looking at things.
Some voters might find that exciting and inspirational. I do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DavidDvorkin
(19,483 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)the Voting Rights Act in 2013 and this led to the closing of over 800 polling places across the country, and stricter ID requirements for voters in multiple states.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Abrams, a potential Democratic nominee for vice-president, says African American voter suppression has gone underground
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/18/stacey-abrams-campaign-fight-voter-suppression
Stacey Abrams is a potential Democratic nominee for vice-president in 2020. She is also now the leader of a national campaign against voter suppression and intimidation which she launched on Saturday in Georgia, where last year she lost a controversial race for governor.
The former Georgia House minority leader kicked off Fair Fight 2020 at an elementary school in Gwinnett county, near Atlanta. Gwinnett turned Democratic in elections which saw Abrams narrow defeat by Republican Brian Kemp gain national attention.
Kemp was Georgias secretary of state, which meant he oversaw his own race. Abrams, with others, filed a lawsuit alleging serious flaws within the overall process.
On Saturday, she told her audience: Gwinnett proved that you are the future. But we are still mired in a past of voter suppression. And voter intimidation. And mistakes made. But we are going to correct those mistakes in 2020.
Speaking to ABCs This Week in an interview broadcast on Sunday, she said: We have a right to vote in the United States that is afforded to eligible American citizens but we have seen over the last 20 years a constriction on who has the right to use that right.
snip
https://fairfight.com/fair-fight-2020/
This year, Fair Fight is working to expand democracy and ensure all voters have access to the polls. We promote fair elections in Georgia and around the country, encourage voter participation in elections, and educate voters about elections and their voting rights. Fair Fight brings awareness to the public on election reform, advocates for election reform at all levels, and engages in targeted voter registration and other voter outreach programs and communications.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
myohmy2
(3,169 posts)...absolutely...
...Joe's a nice guy and all but he's a little past sell-by...
...we need fresh ideas in Washington; a new way of thinking, a new way of approaching our intransigent problems...
...Joe lacks the burn in the belly, the burn that Bernie has...Bernie intensely believes in what he's saying and what he wants to do...and he wants you to believe it too...
...Joe on the other hand seems more scripted and plastic...
...Joe is good, Elizabeth is better, but Bernie is best...
...it's the way it is...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)on the day after Dipshit gets re-elected
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,056 posts)No thanks
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MBS
(9,688 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)That's absolutely awful. Wow just wow. Unbelievable. Such a ringing endorsement by his own wife lol.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,056 posts)No one in the field is better than Joe. Otherwise be wouldnt be topping the polls consistently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)just to run on "electability". Right now Biden has the highest name recognition, but now that the Dem primary field has been winnowed down for debate 3, the other candidates will become more well-known and at least a few will start closing the "electability gap" on Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Just show up and win on name recognition, no thinking needed, run out the string of debates, limit appearances and gaffes, claim victory
ayep
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That comment bothered both of us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,881 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Same for this stuff for any other candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)A candidates spouse enthusiastically supports their candidacy.
Film at 11...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)does not sound like
But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)If you're going to try and make the case Jill Biden doesn't enthusiastically support her husband's campaign go ahead and make it. I've seen no evidence of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)Some words, some phrases, are better or more effective than others.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lame54
(35,315 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFM008
(19,818 posts)For the democratic nominee.
Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)employer provided plans they like and pay much higher taxes. Like me, they also worry about
quality. We can work with what we have now and make a path to universal coverage.
So I dont have to swallow. But Jill knows progressives are hyper-focused on policy and so sold on
one option among many to drastically improve healthcare that they reject the most all around qualified, prepared, experienced, and knowledgeable candidate in the hopes of getting a particular policy agenda. Foolhardy because M4All wont be implemented, if ever, under any candidate, and meanwhile all the political and financial capital invested in it could undermine Obamacare, Medicaid, and certainly the excellent coverage many seniors have on Medicare plus supplemental
insurance.
Fix it where it needs fixing, and leave whats not broken alone.
Seems to me that is Bidens plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)>>don't want Medicare for All if they have to give up employer provided plans they like
https://www.businessinsider.com/most-americans-employer-based-plans-healthcare-medicare-for-all-2019-8
A majority of Americans with employer-based health insurance don't mind if it changes to Medicare for All as long as they can keep their current coverage
59% said they would support switching their employer-based health insurance to a government plan under Medicare for All. This figure includes 20% of respondents who said they "didn't like" their plan, which are more likely to contain voters more persuadable to back Medicare for All.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)about retirees whose retirement benefits pays 100 percent of the Medicare fee and the supplemental plan to provide 100 percent coverage and medications for two to fifteen dollars a prescription?
My plan covers urgent care and emergency if I travel abroad(up to six month) and if I retire abroad, though I would lose Medicare.
Many on single payer in Europe, NHS especially, endure huge wait times, quality disparities between service areas, and must pay out of pocket for good specialists. They do not contrary to what some Americans believe, get all drugs or procedures approved. Under NHS, hip replacement surgeries are now considered elective with wait lists so long elderly die before their number comes up.
Frankly, we dont know what M4All will look like. However,
the plans wont be the same.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,996 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided