But don't let that stop you from being nice.

It can't hurt.

elusive to some


no one receives the hate bernie recieves here...he must have some ideas the ptb dont like

Some people don't seem to care about the country, just the divinity of their candidate.

They just support a candidate based on that candidate's policies and the commitment to those policies. Those supporters probably care about the country too.

whoever she or he is.

the campaign. Personally, I will work my ass off and crawl across broken glass to vote for the Democratic nominee...whoever that may me. Vote blue no matter who should be our mantra in every God damned election from dog catcher to president...or the pugs and Trump win.

or money to that person but I will vote for the Dem candidate.

"Hate" has become too commonplace these days. It should be reserved for actual evil people. And some folks would even say THATS too far

However previous actions by that person and supporters changed my mind.

Like Alabama 🧟?♂️🙅🏾?♂️🤦🏻?♂️

is NOT a Democrat, and based on what I know about this person I do not like them at all.

But, given the alternative and not wanting to bad mouth anyone, I would not only vote for them but outwardly support them as if they were my first choice all along.

Money and getting out the vote are vital...so I think you are making a mistake here.

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destroy every bit of my deepest held moral code to vote for that person so no.

Yes or no. Don't try to dodge by saying he won't be.

It's very simple. If he is the nominee will you vote for him. Yes or no.

They're pretty much equivalent both in terms of being likely and in terms of effectiveness.

Sanders would not do much to save the country, since he shares the self absorption of he who must not be named, but he at least would not be destroying the country in response to every statement that he is not, in fact, God.

I guess. But I was asking the OP who thus far has refused to answer.

He or she is expressing a thought, and perhaps he or she values some thoughts and doesn't value others.

It may not be a refusal per se, but might rather be disinterest.

Not everything is worthy of attention, and no, it doesn't require hostility from a "corporate media" to be found unworthy of attention.

I guess. Thanks again for your input. You'll forgive me if I disagree I'm sure.

Because I find the question relevant and the lack of response quite telling.

...your own view of what is telling and what is not.

I think it's "telling" that you think its "telling" that the OP person isn't totally interested in responding to you.

I do think I'm right though, in the sense that carrying on about a whether we would vote for another perennial candidate for President, Harold Stassen of the 21st century, should he win the nomination, it's not worth pursuing.

One would need to be either brain dead or a raving racist to not vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination in 2020.

If one doesn't, well...

I mean, if someone is Susan Sarandon, can we make them stop being Susan Sarandon?

If someone is Harold Stassen, do we have to consider what we would do if Harold Stassen was the Democratic candidate?

Harold Stassen was a Republican and he ran for President 9 times, coming close to the nomination the first time (1948) as Governor of Minnesota. He ran every four years after that. He became a joke, and he died, but if his dead body ran for President, and he won the Democratic nomination despite not even being a Democrat, I would vote for him in the 2020 election, because a dead guy would be better than the guy living in the White House.

Have a nice evening.

He/she has time, but interestingly won’t answer that question.

...matter.

I post a lot of stuff about the same thing myself, albeit about energy. Maybe he or she really cares about this particular point.

I don't.

But never answers that question.

I know I can, but it's not really important. Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee.

Had you perused before you posted you would have seen this:

That wasn't a response and it mentions no names.


Nice try though!

lol

who sees themselves as the be all and end all and someone who does that AND is a malicious pile of human trash with no human emotions such as rump.

Bernie has some good ideas, I had them as well when I listened to him many many years ago every week, they are common sense to me.

To accomplish them of course you must have someone who is KNOWN to work well with others.

I do think that the capacity to listen is every bit as important as the ability to say things, at least for a person seeking political power.

For an ordinary citizen, like myself, there can be a limit to how much listening one must do to understand the score.

I have no use for listening to anything Bernie Sanders has to say that might be useful, since other people say it better and with more direct experience.

There are at least ten candidates in our party to whom I'd rather spend time listening before listening to more from Sanders.

Of course, I agree, that Senator Sanders is not a steaming pile of shit like that creature in the White House, but there is a certain quality that I see in terms of "I'm right and everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong."

I was born in New York, and in the New York culture there is a high distribution of people with that attitude. When mildly expressed, it can be amusing, even funny, but carried too far, it can be pernicious, as we are seeing with the lunatic in chief.

Because of my upbringing and the awareness of that culture, I cringe when I hear my language (my native language, Brooklynese) being spoken by that guy Sanders. Fuggettttaboutit!

The "I wuz robbed" sulking is not appealing, and even if someone doing it is actually right about some things, there are people who are right about the same thing who can execute on the rhetoric.

I know he did go through the motions in 2016, but what sticks is "I wuz robbed" even though he wasn't robbed. He was rejected.

Sulking over thinking one is right above all others is not an effective way to get things done, and it is a sure road to incompetence.

But again, Sanders isn't Trump, but they do share this rather annoying trait, this Dunning-Kruger type grandiosity.

Not holding my breath.

And for the record I wouldn't normally ask a question like that. I don't think it's really appropriate. Normally at least.

But when someone appoints themselves loyalty enforcer I think it's a different story.

If they're going to take on that role they should be willing to answer that question.

You realize that on this website only 1 answer is allowed by TOS?

I am unable to answer your question, I support the rules to which I have agreed.

What I am allowed to say:
If Beto is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Warren is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Biden is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Harris is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote Her as much as I am capable.
If Buttigieg is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Gabbard is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Klobuchar is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Yang is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Booker is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Williamson is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Castro is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Gillibrand is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Steyer is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If De Blasio is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Bullock is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Ryan is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Moulton is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Delaney is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Messam is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Sestak is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If someone else throws in and is nominated, I will almost definitely donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her/him as much as I'm capable.

You are saying you will not vote for the Democratic nominee if it's someone you don't like.

Definitely not a fan of Gillibrand at all, yet she's on my list of those I will most definitely go all out to support if she secures the nomination.

Not a fan of Williamson, but note that she's on the list.

Few others that I'll fully support but aren't necessarily ones that I "like".

So clever. Still, with that incredible cleverness out of the way..what we're left with is this...


Your post that clearly says you can't answer honestly and stay within in the TOS


That's a no. and an admission that you will not vote for the Democratic nominee under those circumstances,


No one made you make that post. You could have kept that to yourself. For whatever reason you felt it important to let everyone know. And now you want to pretend it doesn't say what it says? Makes no sense.

You ask a question. One that can only be answered one way here without violating rules.

I've answered your question, to the best of my ability, without lying, and remaining within the rules.

You then made an assertion that was incorrect. There are candidates that I will do everything that I possibly can to get them elected if they secure the nomination that I don't necessarily like.

If you don't want people to answer your question, a question that is loaded I might add due to it only being able to be answered in the affirmative and remain within rules, then you might consider taking your own advice to me and keep it to yourself?

I am not trying to be "clever", I am trying to answer your question while fully adhering to the rules of this forum without lies or deception.

I am also not pretending it doesn't say what it says. I stand fully behind all of those candidates, both liked and not, in every way that I am able should any of them obtain the nomination.

but I think he might win the general...it is all about winning. Sanders is strong in Wisconsin where I believe the election will be won or lost.

....he answered "I intend to be the nominee."

Were you as upset with that answer as you are here? "Yes or no. Don't try to dodge."

And discount the "corporate media conglomerate" when news about their candidate is reported while at the same time complaining that the media is ignoring their candidate.

We don't have the luxury of that bullshit. I may have Beto as my candidate but I'm supporting the Democrat in the general no matter who it is.

we are up against, how many of them WILL work AGAINST the patriotic candidate?

Ideological purity

One sign of insanity is making the same bad choice over and over and expecting a better result.

a vote if supporters are mean.

Not if we will actually refuse to vote for the candidate. And not if there is anything disagreeable about the candidate.

Just the supporters.

So, it would be wrong if I said I would stay home unless Biden supporters stopped yelling at me?

full support such as money or time...still helping Trump and the pugs... this is not directed at you at all just want to put it out there. We need to rid ourselves of Trump period.

I will have no problem voting for say.... Sen. Harris if she secures the nomination despite the regrettable behavior shown by some of her supporters on social media towards my preferred primary candidate.

I'd even battle the chronic pain to canvass for her and preach her accolades to all who would listen. No amount of online trash will keep me from voting early and often for blue no matter who as you would say. 2020 is too important to sacrifice one's vote due to petty online bullshit.

I do so enjoy your pledge of allegiance OPs and try to check in for each one. Hope it helps with any list keeping you may do.

That rule has not been changed or even bent.

You can't do it here at DU. Period.

just as bad.

There are ways to state disagreement, even vehement disagreement, with others supporting candidates you can't stand, without being that ugly.

Life is too short to get so upset.

because another candidate’s supporters were not nice to them?

Wtf?

The numbers of anti-Democrat zealots and spite voters won't increase. They're what they are.

People who won't vote for a woman but won't decamp if our nominee's a male? Numbers unclear, but odds are fewer will be helping elect Trump, or Pence, in 2020.

But the biggie is that, according to that pollster who nailed the midterms, many Democrats/left-indies who were too "complacent" to vote in on November 8, 2016 had been scared into voting by the midterms and were a big part of the big blue wave.

And from now to November 3, 2020, if he's still in office, Trump'll be supplying fears and disasters to suit every taste. Whether it's economic troubles, unmet natural disasters, detention centers becoming concentration camps as more enter but fewer leave, and children dying in them, losing healthcare, the nuclear football following a dangerous sociopath around, or whatever, they're likely to turn out in as high or higher numbers in 2020. There're still lots of feckless slackers out there.

conceivably have to hit a friend up for some of her Xanax to try to get elected POTUS, with or without broken glass to crawl over, but like you I'd unquestionably do it.

Right now stuffing my mouth with comfort food and re-reading favorite old novels mostly does it.

so re-reading Barbara Michaels and her other name Elizabeth Peters...my Mom got me hooked when I was a teen.

am re-reading some old historic novels set there, like from Kenneth Roberts. Currently in pre-revolutionary Maine, leaving Trump/McConnell behind in a space-time far, far away.

online library card and book stores and libraries too.

except that our GA county library isn't compatible with Kindle, so I've been thinking of trying to establish with a library in Florida where we winter. Also, I never go to either because of a weakness to holding onto physical books too long (and also the nuisance of losing them among my own), but the FL one's right across a long, tall bridge that, even with commuter traffic and the drop off the raised 30" wide curb, makes a lovely morning walk.

I use the new Libby app quite often which won't work with a kindle but works with an android tablet...not very expensive...also works on your android phone...you can take a book out on your phone using Libby and read it on an android tablet and then send it to kindle too. Amazon and Google are having a war so they won't give Kindle access to their apps...like Libby so ridiculous.

Ohio is great about library cards... I have e-cards for Cincinnati, Cleveland ...all over. You know, I used to live in GA...hubs worked for the Doravile GM plan. We lived in Marietta and then Woodstock...Town Lake area. Newt Gingrich (yuck) was my congressman. So happy to see his seat fall into Democratic hands this last midterm...and what a candidate. If my child died, I don't know if I could be that brave.

No matter who.