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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:48 AM Mar 2019

Beto O'Rourke is 46. Bernie Sanders is 77. Does Age Matter Anymore for Democrats?


By Matt Flegenheimer and Jonathan Martin
March 16, 2019

KEOKUK, Iowa — Diana Martinez, 70, looked at Beto O’Rourke, 46, and made her choice: It was time for Generation X to fix this country.

“Doesn’t he remind you of Kennedy?” Ms. Martinez said as Mr. O’Rourke offered firm handshakes and music recommendations to a coffeehouse crowd. “He’s young. That’s what it’s going to take to try and beat Trump.”

Some closer to Mr. O’Rourke’s age were less convinced. Standing near the back, Erin Cruz, 41, sized up Mr. O’Rourke — and then praised the septuagenarian socialist senator, Bernie Sanders.

“I’m looking for someone to be as progressive as Bernie,” Ms. Cruz said, tugging on a Red Hot Chili Peppers shirt.

Actually, she amended, perhaps just Bernie himself.

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Beto O'Rourke is 46. Bernie Sanders is 77. Does Age Matter Anymore for Democrats? (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2019 OP
Beto would be 48 on inauguration day. OKNancy Mar 2019 #1
No government job would hire a 77 year old. blue cat Mar 2019 #8
I'm sorry, but it should Freddie Mar 2019 #2
Did it ever? Here are ages for delegates to our constitutional Hortensis Mar 2019 #3
One question? democratisphere Mar 2019 #4
I am with Martinez True Blue American Mar 2019 #5
Health matters. Stamina matters. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #6
Mayor Pete is 37. Biden is 76. I'm for Pete Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #7
Bernie doesn't contrast well enough with Trump Renew Deal Mar 2019 #9
Character matters, mental health matters, electability matters.... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #10
obamma???? What's an obamma? hedda_foil Mar 2019 #11
ee cummings didn't care either.... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #12
Remember that time you scolded me for my petty nitpicking of someone's spelling/grammar? NurseJackie Mar 2019 #18
The presidency is infintely more demanding than a SCOTUS position. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #13
trump is barely in the office 3 hours a day..... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #17
as a 61 year old white male yes age does matter to me. I tend to avoid voting for people my ager or mulsh Mar 2019 #14
It matters to me, but I don't claim to speak for all Democrats. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #15
Interesting article.It is NOT a divide and conquer piece. McCamy Taylor Mar 2019 #16
Mortality risk and cognitive impairment risk are real dalton99a Mar 2019 #19
 

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
1. Beto would be 48 on inauguration day.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:04 AM
Mar 2019

I can't think of any other profession where 48 is considered too young.
Forty-eight is middle-aged, not a youngster.

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blue cat

(2,415 posts)
8. No government job would hire a 77 year old.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:22 AM
Mar 2019

He should not even be running because government employees are required to retire. Not fair.

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Freddie

(9,269 posts)
2. I'm sorry, but it should
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:06 AM
Mar 2019

We saw what happened the last time we had an elderly president. And if we want to WIN it will help to have someone looking healthy and energetic next to our opponent. Just my .02

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Hortensis

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3. Did it ever? Here are ages for delegates to our constitutional
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:18 AM
Mar 2019

convention in 1787. Only some were members of Jefferson's and Madison's Democratic-Republican Party, of course.

In those days before the Medical Revolution, the vast majority were under 50. Just the trip to Philadelphia was too onerous for many distinguished older people in other colonies. Benjamin Franklin was the oldest at 81, 83 when he signed the Constitution, but he was from Philadelphia and didn't have to come from Georgia.

Jefferson wasn't there, but he was about 44 at the time. Madison was 36 and Hamilton 30. Washington, among other big landowners who were the biggest force for revolution to save their holdings from a somewhat hostile monarch, was 55, 58 when he became our first president.

If the convention were held today, more would be in their 80s and even older. Vastly increased average lifespans, especially including being able to maintain longer periods of good health, mean those whose lives make a difference can continue in much larger numbers for much longer.

But throughout our history, large numbers of younger people have been in ours governments. After all, every 2 years new freshmen arrive in our national congress and most of our state legislatures, a constant infusion of new young leaders.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/age/

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
4. One question?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:37 AM
Mar 2019

Who is the most qualified, in these times, to be our Democratic President?

My answer is Joe Biden.

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True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
5. I am with Martinez
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:54 AM
Mar 2019

It is time for a new generation. The old had their chance and messed it up.

Time for the new generation. Bernie had 30 years.

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NurseJackie

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6. Health matters. Stamina matters.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:57 AM
Mar 2019

I think anyone vying to become the Leader of the Free world should be strong and healthy, mentally and physically. I'm looking for someone who's energetic and motivating. We need someone with a positive can-do attitude and realistic plans and ideas. I'm looking for someone with practical experience, but who hasn't been around for 30 years or more... and I'll just leave it at that.

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Nanjeanne

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7. Mayor Pete is 37. Biden is 76. I'm for Pete
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:15 AM
Mar 2019

and Sanders so far. So I guess age means much less than policy and authenticity and consistency to me.

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Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
9. Bernie doesn't contrast well enough with Trump
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:26 AM
Mar 2019

I don’t know if people are ready to put a person older than life expectancy into the White House.

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getagrip_already

(14,768 posts)
10. Character matters, mental health matters, electability matters....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:28 AM
Mar 2019

Look, RBG is 86, has has cancer 3 times, and despite a bad fall with broken ribs, is still showing up to work every day and doing exactly what we need her to do.

Bernie is disqualified for a lot of reasons (imho incompetent, irrelevant, ignorant), but age is only an indication.

As they age, some people lose cognitive abilities. That is important. But it isn't universal.

The real question is has the years allotted a person resulted in experience and accomplishment? Being elected senator over and over with no accomplishments to show for it is neither. If past performance is a measure of future gains, some of the candidates will be a bad choice.

But if you gave me the choice of a 48 y.o. obamma or a 78 y.o. obamma, I'd definitely want the 48 y.o. one.

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hedda_foil

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11. obamma???? What's an obamma?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:22 AM
Mar 2019

For someone with excellent grammar, word choice, punctuation and spelling, the inability to properly capitalize and spell the name of the most recent Democratic president is a bit peculiar.

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getagrip_already

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12. ee cummings didn't care either....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:35 AM
Mar 2019

But in my case, just too lazy to find the cap button.

I stand duly chastised.

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NurseJackie

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18. Remember that time you scolded me for my petty nitpicking of someone's spelling/grammar?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:26 AM
Mar 2019

Remember that time you scolded me for my petty nitpicking of someone's spelling/grammar? That was like my 2nd day here... and it was one of the FIRST times someone had replied DIRECTLY to one of my posts. I remember it well.

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DemocratSinceBirth

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13. The presidency is infintely more demanding than a SCOTUS position.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:56 AM
Mar 2019
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getagrip_already

(14,768 posts)
17. trump is barely in the office 3 hours a day.....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:19 AM
Mar 2019

bHe spends more time watching tv than most people with 2 jobs spend working.

How is that a demanding position?

RBG reportedly works 10-12 hours every day. On the other hand, clarence thomas doesn't. ;0

My point isn't that one job is more demanding than the other, it's that you can get away putting whatever effort you want into it.

A younger person with more energy will probably put in a lot more hours, be a lot more involved, and provide a lot more personal oversight to decisions in the various agencies.

But the important point is that experience "can" make shorter work of any particular task. Joe Biden has been there, he won't have a learning curve. He can and would attract staff that would put the teeth in his administration.

Others his age, not so much.

But again, if given the choice of a 48 y.o. Obama ( )or a 78 y.o. Obama, I'd take the 48 y.o. one. But a choice between a 78 y.o. Biden and a 78 y.o Sanders would go hands down to Biden.

I don't know enough about beto yet, though I do like him, harris and warren in addition to biden.

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mulsh

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14. as a 61 year old white male yes age does matter to me. I tend to avoid voting for people my ager or
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:59 AM
Mar 2019

older. I want younger, browner, and way more female office holders. I know a bit about deteriorating abilities and trying to make what's left viable.

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comradebillyboy

(10,155 posts)
15. It matters to me, but I don't claim to speak for all Democrats.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:02 AM
Mar 2019

As I am now in my 70s the limitations that come with age get worse every year.

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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
16. Interesting article.It is NOT a divide and conquer piece.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:03 AM
Mar 2019

Although it would have been easy to make it one. It is thoughtful political analysis, the reason I stopped reading my local paper and started reading the Times online instead.

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