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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:32 PM Mar 2019

Why Would A Staff For A Presidential Candidate Unionize?

It seems counter-intuitive to me. If they don't get what they want, do they strike until they do? And won't that hurt the very candidate they support?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-union-2020/index.html

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Why Would A Staff For A Presidential Candidate Unionize? (Original Post) Me. Mar 2019 OP
The campaign is showing support for unions California_Republic Mar 2019 #1
Yeah, usually you don't see people questioning unions on a Democratic board. demmiblue Mar 2019 #3
I think the OP is questioning why the need not wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #4
Precisely Me. Mar 2019 #23
I mean the campaign is showing support for unions California_Republic Mar 2019 #5
Pay the staff as AOC did and you won't have to unionize. Living wage for DC and benefits. nt allgood33 Mar 2019 #42
The main reason for unions is collective bargaining. wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #2
The press release from the UFCW Union they joined may give you the answer you Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #6
I wouldn't be surprised if this became a new standard practice. David__77 Mar 2019 #19
If it prevents what happened last time on his campaign, it's a positive step. lapucelle Mar 2019 #31
Thank You Me. Mar 2019 #25
I know... what purpose does it serve? Seems like a stunt to me. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #7
If it's a stunt ... I've seen worse SFnomad Mar 2019 #9
So it's a show of "solidarity"? But in my estimation it seems to be mocking unions... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #8
Buh-bye. n/t demmiblue Mar 2019 #10
Welcome to DU ... hasta la vista, baby n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #11
Bye Troll... revmclaren Mar 2019 #12
Stand bye for jury duty California_Republic Mar 2019 #15
Yup... revmclaren Mar 2019 #17
Please don't troll in word salad, we get enough of that from Trump marylandblue Mar 2019 #16
Unions do a lot of things besides strike. marylandblue Mar 2019 #13
Good Point About Managers Me. Mar 2019 #26
You don't have to look far to see that I am no fan of BS.. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #18
So if you want to knock on doors as a volunteer, LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #20
No. n/t demmiblue Mar 2019 #21
If the staff of any Presidential candidate were to unionize, KitSileya Mar 2019 #22
Exactly, and this is why it's such a gimmick. One of the first R B Garr Mar 2019 #24
Good questions. So far this is a gimmick to pressure R B Garr Mar 2019 #27
Maybe it was part of negotiations following the letter. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #32
Interesting prospect, but then why not be honest about R B Garr Mar 2019 #36
what the... when is unionization a bad thing? Kurt V. Mar 2019 #28
Many campaigns have had personnel problems that are often learned only after the campaign karynnj Mar 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #30
We will have to see. CentralMass Mar 2019 #35
The Bernie hatred here is something else. CentralMass Mar 2019 #33
How so? How do you figure? I'm just not seeing it. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #41
Yeah. Unions are bad, right? TCJ70 Mar 2019 #34
Wow. Iggo Mar 2019 #37
It is a stinging rebuke when staffers of a campaign feel compelled to unionize CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #38
BOOM! Me. Mar 2019 #39
NAILED IT! NurseJackie Mar 2019 #40
 

California_Republic

(1,826 posts)
1. The campaign is showing support for unions
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:49 PM
Mar 2019

( corrected wording )

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demmiblue

(36,870 posts)
3. Yeah, usually you don't see people questioning unions on a Democratic board.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019
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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
4. I think the OP is questioning why the need not
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:56 PM
Mar 2019

questioning the idea of unions.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
23. Precisely
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:02 PM
Mar 2019

I question it because I expected that staffers would be treated well, but I see reminders, (down thread) of why... pay parity and ignored sexual harassment... might make such a move necessary. But what is the remedy in these situations? Surely the campaign wouldn't be shut down. What is the bargaining chip?

I ask these questions as someone who comes from a union family and knows how negotiations work to bring around a compromise. But this isn't an open-ended situation as working in other areas, it is a finite situation and there are few remedies available unless we're talking fines or, as I mentioned, the end of the campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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California_Republic

(1,826 posts)
5. I mean the campaign is showing support for unions
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:02 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
42. Pay the staff as AOC did and you won't have to unionize. Living wage for DC and benefits. nt
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:08 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
2. The main reason for unions is collective bargaining.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019

The workforce speaks with one voice rather than each inividual dealing with management one on one.

I have read that in the past Bernie has been rough on some people who worked for him and that he was not aware of past sexual harassment.

Maybe it is a way of keeping transparent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Nanjeanne

(4,967 posts)
6. The press release from the UFCW Union they joined may give you the answer you
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:02 PM
Mar 2019

are looking for.


First, I want to congratulate the Bernie 2020 campaign workers for making history and empowering themselves to improve their pay, benefits and working conditions with a strong voice in the workplace,” said UFCW Local 400 President Mark P. Federici. “I also congratulate Senator Sanders for not only talking the talk but actually walking the walk when it comes to his commitment to uphold the right of every worker to bargain collectively.

“We expect this will mean pay parity and transparency on the campaign, with no gender bias or harassment, and equal treatment for every worker, whether they’re in Washington, D.C., Iowa, New Hampshire or anywhere else,” he said.

“I hope this breakthrough serves as a model for other presidential campaigns, as well as party committees and candidates for other offices,” Federici added. “While political campaigns aren’t the easiest work environment, every worker has the right to respect and dignity. And when candidates who claim to support the labor movement practice what they preach, that sends a powerful message that, if elected, they will deliver on their promises to strengthen union rights and level the playing field between workers and employers.”

While this is the first presidential campaign to organize, the 2018 candidacy of Randy Bryce (D) is believed to be the first federal electoral campaign to achieve union representation. Employees of the Vermont and Idaho Democratic parties are also unionized, among others.


Read full release here:

http://www.ufcw400.org/2019/03/15/bernie-sanders-campaign-workers-join-ufcw-local-400/
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David__77

(23,427 posts)
19. I wouldn't be surprised if this became a new standard practice.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:19 PM
Mar 2019

...

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lapucelle

(18,285 posts)
31. If it prevents what happened last time on his campaign, it's a positive step.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:19 PM
Mar 2019

Maybe this was part of negotiations following the letter.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. Thank You
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:04 PM
Mar 2019

But here is my question, and why I raised the matter in the first place...what remedies are available in these situations.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. I know... what purpose does it serve? Seems like a stunt to me.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:03 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
9. If it's a stunt ... I've seen worse
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:08 PM
Mar 2019

Usually people unionize because working conditions aren't what they should be or at a minimum could be better. Someone could certainly take this action the wrong way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. So it's a show of "solidarity"? But in my estimation it seems to be mocking unions...
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:12 PM
Mar 2019
Usually people unionize because working conditions aren't what they should be or at a minimum could be better. Someone could certainly take this action the wrong way.
So it's a show of "solidarity"? But in my estimation it seems to be mocking unions... it was clearly staged for the purpose of grabbing headlines for an hour or two. I think they overplayed their hand.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
11. Welcome to DU ... hasta la vista, baby n/t
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:10 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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revmclaren

(2,525 posts)
17. Yup...
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:16 PM
Mar 2019

Add BLU to the growing list of PPRed new and even older members.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
16. Please don't troll in word salad, we get enough of that from Trump
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:13 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
13. Unions do a lot of things besides strike.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:11 PM
Mar 2019

For example, they protect workers from unfair treatment and even if Bernie were a saint, not all of his managers will be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. Good Point About Managers
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:05 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
18. You don't have to look far to see that I am no fan of BS..
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:19 PM
Mar 2019

But I do love this.

Our Labor Unions have been taking a pounding for several decades now.

ANYTHING that helps bring them to the front of discussions, even if it’s pointless and more for symbolic purposes is a right good thing in my book.

I still don’t like that he’s running again, period. I do like, admire, and hope this catches on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LuvLoogie

(7,016 posts)
20. So if you want to knock on doors as a volunteer,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:31 PM
Mar 2019

are we gonna get picket lines at the end of streets getting canvased?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
22. If the staff of any Presidential candidate were to unionize,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:55 PM
Mar 2019

The staff of Senator Sanders is the one with the best documented need to unionize. I have not heard of any other candidate having to admit they paid women and people of color less than the white men. So I say good for them for refusing to continue being treated that way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
24. Exactly, and this is why it's such a gimmick. One of the first
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:02 PM
Mar 2019

“goals” of this gimmick was to use it to pressure other candidates to “mirror” their “party activists” as if that will make us forget the many documented problems his campaign has had.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
27. Good questions. So far this is a gimmick to pressure
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:09 PM
Mar 2019

other candidates to prove some kind of progressive bona fides and to provide some cover for Bernie’s unreconciled harassment claims. It says as much in all the articles about the motivations behind this. It’s a way to try and beat out other candidates while downplaying Bernie’s campaign problems.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,285 posts)
32. Maybe it was part of negotiations following the letter. N/T
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:21 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
36. Interesting prospect, but then why not be honest about
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:27 PM
Mar 2019

that instead of setting himself out as yet another example that other candidates have to emulate or risk being labeled not as “progressive”. It does seem like a publicity stunt as another poster just noted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
28. what the... when is unionization a bad thing?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
29. Many campaigns have had personnel problems that are often learned only after the campaign
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:13 PM
Mar 2019

Every campaign has been quickly organized from a very few people to many people running operations in the various primary states and then moving on as the schedule demands.

Many people involved are young - sometimes not even out of college yet. They have followed their passion to be part of getting a candidate nominated and then elected. In many cases, they may be far from home, school and any mentors they had in the past.

A union might act as somewhere - internally - they can speak to someone to deal with problems that have arisen and allow them to be sorted out at a point before it is too late. Consider that going public is really unlikely - because it would hurt the campaign that you are working on and it is very likely the candidate is not the problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
33. The Bernie hatred here is something else.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:24 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
41. How so? How do you figure? I'm just not seeing it.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:55 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
34. Yeah. Unions are bad, right?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:24 PM
Mar 2019

This is just more “NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE!”/damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t bullshit from the usual suspects.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
38. It is a stinging rebuke when staffers of a campaign feel compelled to unionize
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:41 PM
Mar 2019

to protect themselves from sexual harassment and gender-based pay inequality by "management."

The "re-framing" on this issue is hilarious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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