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qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:03 PM Mar 2019

Just Don't Do It.

A few years ago, I campaigned in a primary for a candidate who lost, and I was so upset about the winner that I refused to vote for him. I think I voted Green.

And as such, I am determined to sit out the Democratic Presidential Primaries, except to learn about the candidates, especially the winner, so that I have the necessary ammo to fight my ass off in September, October and November 2020.

I don't begrudge anyone the right to support a candidate, to give money to a candidate, to campaign for a candidate. But please, please, please don't sling mud. Don't give ordinary voters the ammunition to hate a candidate who might win the primaries.

It's SO IMPORTANT.

Pump up your candidate, talk up your candidate. Demonstrate that your candidate is electable. Demonstrate that your candidate is progressive, or moderate, whichever, or wherever.

But do not, do not give the ordinary voter reason to go Green in November 2020. Do not give the ordinary voter a reason to stay home in November 2020. Do not give the ordinary voter a reason not to donate in the General Election. Do not give the ordinary voter a reason not to campaign in the General Election.

Just don't do it.

Take the high ground, as Michelle Obama said. Let the Republicans go low. Let them be the party of white extremist murderers. Let them be the party that everyone wants to beat.

But don't go low. Don't convince yourself that if another candidate other than your candidate wins, then the WRONG candidate won, and you can't bring yourself to support them or campaign for them.

Just don't do it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Just Don't Do It. (Original Post) qwlauren35 Mar 2019 OP
Thank you. I desperately hope that this primary doesn't devolve The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #1
Your vote is valuable. Use it wisely to stop the repubnican machine. Left-over Mar 2019 #4
There was never the slightest question in my mind whether I'd vote for the Dem nominee, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #8
THANKS, as ever. elleng Mar 2019 #2
Thanks also! DemocracyMouse Mar 2019 #16
'Radicals,' yes, I like it, elleng Mar 2019 #17
Yes, the Republicans are radical, destructive firebrands. They are destroying, not conserving. DemocracyMouse Mar 2019 #20
Yes elleng Mar 2019 #21
This is a great and courageous post. I appreciate underthematrix Mar 2019 #3
You may as well go on a mountain top and yell into the wind wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #5
In Other Words, Don't Be a F##king Susan Sarandon! DoctorJoJo Mar 2019 #6
Bravo. No Kneecapping, Divide and Conquer or Democratic Candidate is a Phony. McCamy Taylor Mar 2019 #7
No calling legitimate criticism "kneecapping". No short-circuting discussions. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #11
...... ehrnst Mar 2019 #12
Thank you for this posting! RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #9
I am accustomed to losing Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #10
Those who disparage candidates they oppose... debsy Mar 2019 #13
This is the most important message that could be posted this season Poiuyt Mar 2019 #14
I see what you did there. watoos Mar 2019 #15
YES, ALMOST the only way we lost. elleng Mar 2019 #18
Well said. MarianJack Mar 2019 #19
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,774 posts)
1. Thank you. I desperately hope that this primary doesn't devolve
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:11 PM
Mar 2019

into the sniping, mudslinging and generally dickish behavior that too often characterized the 2016 primaries, both on DU and elsewhere. I've been glad to see most of the candidates so far being good sports about other candidates, showing a "more the merrier" attitude instead of ignoring or disrespecting their rivals. Since many are senators, they will have to be able to get along with the other senator-candidates, so that's certainly part of it. But I believe that they are not the sort of people who will resort to dirty tricks and backstabbing, and I hope their supporters will behave the same way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Left-over

(234 posts)
4. Your vote is valuable. Use it wisely to stop the repubnican machine.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:13 PM
Mar 2019

Anything except voting for the Democrat candidate plays into the fascist hands. They are not conservatives!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,774 posts)
8. There was never the slightest question in my mind whether I'd vote for the Dem nominee,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:07 PM
Mar 2019

no matter who it turns out to be. My only concern is that we don't do the usual circular firing squad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
16. Thanks also!
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:07 PM
Mar 2019

May I also suggest we stick to calling the entire Republican party "the radicals" and the "totally out to lunch."

All the Dems that have begun campaigning are quite reasonable in contrast. In fact, they are trying to bring back Democracy (for all), and in many ways returning to TRADITIONAL American solutions, like a green variation on FDR's New Deal which boosted the economy for generations. That's a TRADITIONAL Democratic solution and no one should be calling it radical. Just like gay marriage should be seen as a traditional bonding right and not radical in the least.

I tried to spell out this rejection of the term "radical" in my post "How NOT to be a 'propaganda loser' ":

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10221354

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

elleng

(131,009 posts)
17. 'Radicals,' yes, I like it,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:11 PM
Mar 2019

and no more 'conservatives,' EVER.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
20. Yes, the Republicans are radical, destructive firebrands. They are destroying, not conserving.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:27 PM
Mar 2019

This is not a linquistic parlor game either. It is sound. It is rational. And it is right. We don't need to scream about such a demonstrable truth. But we do need to state it succinctly and repeatedly.

One more time, with feeling:

THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME RADICAL AND LAWLESS. THEY ARE DESTROYING THE TRADITIONAL AMERICAN SYSTEM.

Democrats are trying to rebuild FDR's traditional American economy for all — and extend it to every race, gender and ethnicity. They are trying to conserve this sacred planet, God's Earth, and pass it on to the next generation unmolested.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
3. This is a great and courageous post. I appreciate
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:00 PM
Mar 2019

you for sharing your experience.

My first priority is that we elect a DEMOCRATIC president. I don't have to like the person.

My first choice candidate is Rep Joe Kennedy but he's not running.

If Joe Biden runs, I'll vote for him in the primary.

Jay Inslee is my third choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
5. You may as well go on a mountain top and yell into the wind
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:14 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DoctorJoJo

(1,134 posts)
6. In Other Words, Don't Be a F##king Susan Sarandon!
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:15 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
7. Bravo. No Kneecapping, Divide and Conquer or Democratic Candidate is a Phony.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:21 PM
Mar 2019

Be positive. Support your candidate. Never assume that another candidate called your candidate a poo-head unless you hear that candidate actually say the words (because making up fake criticism of one Dem that appears to come from another Dem is in the Pat Buchanan CREEPY handbook).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. No calling legitimate criticism "kneecapping". No short-circuting discussions.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:23 PM
Mar 2019

No calling legitimate criticism "kneecapping". No short-circuting discussions. No accusations of "divide and conquer" for extreme vetting (that we need to do right NOW, by the way... not after the convention, by the GOP.)

No comparing fiercely loyal Democrats to Pat Buchanan because there's a difference of opinion. That's a personal attack. It makes no good sense for anyone to try and "life up" their preferred candidate by attacking and smearing other members here. Why do that?

And while we're at it: No calling the Democratic party "an absolute failure". No calling Democrats "feeble" and "ideologically bankrupt". No calling the Democratic party "the party of the elite" or "the party of the one-percent". No implying that there's "no difference" between the GOP and Democrats. No calling the Democratic party "corrupt". No accusing the Democratic party of "focusing too much" on diversity.

All I'm saying is... it sounds like someone is auditioning to become a new admin. Do the current admins know?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RobertDevereaux

(1,857 posts)
9. Thank you for this posting!
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:13 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
10. I am accustomed to losing
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:14 PM
Mar 2019

As a sports bettor it is awesome to lose only 43-45% of the time. On a Saturday I might lose two or three dozen college basketball bets. On a Sunday I might lose 10 or 15 golf matchup wagers. That's probably why I have no trouble accepting and shifting.

It particularly hurt when Hillary wasn't going to win the primary against Obama in 2008. I always knew she fit that cycle far beyond anything previously or subsequently. I was going nuts that others here didn't grasp that, and the immense lost opportunity. Obama waiting in the wings was light years preferable to Hillary on hold. But transitioning to Obama that fall was no trouble at all.

I have to say I am not confident against an incumbent. I don't care who the names are on either side. Situation always comes first in my way of thinking. Winning in 2020 is going to feel like an amazing gift, if it happens.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

debsy

(530 posts)
13. Those who disparage candidates they oppose...
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:32 PM
Mar 2019

...should be considered trolls, IMHO. Divide and conquer is the mission. Let's not make it easy for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Poiuyt

(18,128 posts)
14. This is the most important message that could be posted this season
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:49 PM
Mar 2019

It is crucial that we unite behind whomever the Democratic candidate happens to be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
15. I see what you did there.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:58 PM
Mar 2019

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

elleng

(131,009 posts)
18. YES, ALMOST the only way we lost.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:14 PM
Mar 2019

We must recognize the ways and extent repugs cheat, at and around ballot boxes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
19. Well said.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:21 PM
Mar 2019

At this early point I'm inclined towards Amy Klobuchar but I'll happily support any Democrat over f**khead in November. That includes the only candidate for the Democratic nomination whom I actually detest, but who will also remain nameless in this context.

RESIST!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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