do not vote based on skin color.

no one should stereo type black voters, brown voters or white voters.

but I remember in 2008 when Jesse Jackson Jr. "directed" the members of the Black Congressional Caucus - all were super delegates to the convention - to pledge their support to the "brother." (Obama). Until then most supported Hillary, remembering that Bill was considered the "black president."

It still bothers me that so many black voters pledged their support to the black candidate, while so many women declares that even though they were women, they did not support Hillary.

If and when they backed Obama, they did it on their own or because that's what their constituents wanted. JJjr never did have that kind of swag and CBC members didn't take political directions from him (or generally from anyone else). They no more followed his orders than the sun rose this morning because I "directed" it to.

Here is a very long story from the New York Magazine (aren't they all?)

Who thwarted the ambitions of Jesse Jackson’s son?

Which includes the following:

A young state senator named Barack Obama did not have that sort of baggage, and in 2002, he met Jesse Jr. at a Chicago restaurant. Michelle Obama had been a Jackson-family friend for years, having gone to high school with Jackson’s older sister, Santita, and Jesse Jr. (who once confessed to having a boyhood crush on Michelle) had attended the Obamas’ wedding. Over breakfast, Obama told Jackson that if he planned to run for the Senate seat, Obama wouldn’t, but if Jackson wasn’t running, could Obama have his support? Jackson gave it to him, putting his basement war room at Obama’s disposal and appearing on billboards and mailers with him. For Obama, who had lost a congressional race in 2000 over doubts about whether he was “black enough,” Jackson’s backing was crucial.

Four years later, when Obama ran for president, Jackson was there to help again. He leaned heavily on his fellow members of the Congressional Black Caucus to support Obama, going so far as to threaten primary challenges against those who’d endorsed Hillary Clinton—a move that particularly rankled older black congressmen, like Charlie Rangel and John Lewis, who’d known Junior since he was a child. But Jackson’s biggest battles on behalf of Obama were with members of the Jackson family, many of whom were supporting Clinton. When his mother Jackie cut a radio ad for Clinton in South Carolina, the Obama campaign had already aired one that Junior made there; he also worked to raise money for Obama in order to offset the $100,000 his brother Yusef raised for Hillary.

http://nymag.com/news/features/jesse-jackson-jr-2012-11/index5.html

Thus, leaned heavily on them.. perhaps thought that he had more power..

He may have leaned on them, but he didn't influence them. As my grandmother would say, "They weren't studying Junior" (aka, they didn't pay him the least bit of attention).

She would have easily beaten McCain, probably won re-election, and then we would have had Obama in 2016. That was her year.

Obama was a freshman senator with no experience how Congress works and it showed. And, yes, I find it a negative for Harris.

Getting the racist out and replaced with a liberal of any color is the goal.

the southern primaries in 2016. IMO Biden then Harris will do best in the SC and Super Tuesday primaries as Harris' home state of California's primary is now on Super Tuesday.

they look rather outstanding together!

the last primary.

leave it at that.

Snip...

Black voters who’ve already made their choice told POLITICO that getting behind a white male candidate over a black woman or man is nothing personal. This time around, black Democrats feel the stakes are too high to be concerned about optics. They are focused on supporting the candidate they feel will champion the policies they care most about — and make Trump a one-term president.

“We want to win. We just want to win,” Nutter, the former Philadelphia mayor, said. “Because Donald Trump is so damaging and so frightening to many people in this country … the primary theme is, ‘I just want to be with someone who I believe can actually win.’ And that’s what people care about.”

Conservatives are the ones who run a woman/African-American/Hispanic, etc. (when they have to) and get surprised when women/African-Americans/Hispanics, etc. don't automatically flock to them. *GASP* Could it be that the ladies and the non-white folk out there actually have nuanced political positions, make decisions based on the person they think can best win, or entertain other thought processes?

That attitude is how we got Palin as a national figure. Obama beat Hillary, and a lot of women were upset and had the right to be, and the GOP thought ,"Well, we'll just put someone on the ticket that has the same sex-organs as Hillary, and the li'l dumplin's will surely vote for us!"

We don't need the media pushing that bullshit narrative as well.

TlalocW

Then there are orange ones. Whoever can kick the racist out.

The Morning Consult poll mentioned in that Politico article gives Biden less of a lead with black voters.

We post many stories here from both sources. That you - or others - disagree, that's fine. But to paint them with a wide bush?

Why wouldn't POC go for Biden more!

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day he entered politics. I know the man. I know his passion, and compassion when he's fighting for what he believes is right. Even if he gets it wrong occasionally during his 45 years in politics, you never question if he thought he was doing the right thing for the country and for Americans. No one is perfect. No one is expected to be right 100% of the time.

I know the "woke" generation" believe that people are to be judged by one perceived misstep. Yeah, well, as they grow older, they'll probably be more forgiving.

thank you. We know Joe. We know he is decent, honest, and makes mistakes on occasion. We also know that all of us occasionally say the wrong thing, get dates and places mixed up, stumble now and then. Yes, we know this. We also know Joe is reasonable, knows his responsibilities, and he cares about the future of this country. We want decency back. It is so shameful having the ugly monster in our White House and all the other haters who are now there.

and former prosecutors.

A postion akin to a district attorney.

I don't believe most black voters distrust prosecutors and law enforcement. They just want fair prosecutors, law enforcement officers and judges and they appreciate it when people of color are in those positions.

Black voters are very sophisticated and aren't as hung up on race as many white voters are. We have always voted the candidate, not the color. If we think a white candidate is more qualified and will represent and treat us better than a black candidate, we'll vote for the white candidate. If we think the black candidate is better, we'll vote for them - and the fact that they're one of us makes it extra special and wonderful.

Why did so many stay home, therefore helping the orange stain into office?

There’ve been numerous posts here documenting how AA voters did not come out for Hillary.

uses that meme to attack Harris. Blacks are not pro crime and anti punishment. That's just silly.

Link to tweet

but as someone who is AA and has been both a defense attorney (most of the time) and a prosecutor, I would hope ultimately if the candidate is right, they will get over it.

And the reality ALL criminal law attorneys face prejudice just from different angles...whether you prosecute or defend.

If I ran for office, the death penalty appeal I did...or the sexual assault and child porn and child molester accused I defended (and in many case won for) would probably wipe out the child molestation and sex assault and child porn accused I convicted and put in jail.

Probably why I'll never run lol

Biden:

“You can go back and look: When Barack clobbered me in the campaign, you know, I had more black support in South Carolina than anybody, including him. I got blown out in Iowa and all of a sudden everything changed. Same thing could happen.”

Biden was never really in the hunt that year. It was a three person primary mostly.

Biden and Chris Dodd pretty much cancelled each other out.

Sanders numbers are pretty bad considering he ran last time and there is no improvement. ,

Harris will need to do well in iowa and/or new Hampshire first. but she is slowly building up endorsements which could help with getting voters out. especially black women.

African American voters between Biden and Sanders is generational.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/17/politics/black-democrat-demographics/index.html