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applegrove

(118,793 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:49 PM Sep 2019

Williamson Suggests 'Visualizing' Hurricane Retreat

Williamson Suggests ‘Visualizing’ Hurricane Retreat

September 4, 2019 at 1:11 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 139 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2019/09/04/marianne-williamson-suggests-visualizing-hurricane-retreat/

"SNIP.....

Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson offered an un­or­tho­dox suggestion for dealing with Hurricane Dorian: using “the power of the mind” to will the storm elsewhere, the Washington Post reports.

In a now-deleted tweet, Williamson, “suggested that visualizing the storm’s retreat could be an effective way to change its course.”

.....SNIP"

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Williamson Suggests 'Visualizing' Hurricane Retreat (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2019 OP
she's not my top choice, but this doesn't bother me. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #1
She just left out the "prayers part". Visualization is as effective as "praying", maybe more so Dream Girl Sep 2019 #2
You are correct. I send vibes all the time. Who am i to judge. applegrove Sep 2019 #3
Actually, there are some very intelligent people Backseat Driver Sep 2019 #23
A lot of people have criticized the "thoughts and prayers" brigade... TwilightZone Sep 2019 #4
visualization and intention can work wonders in one's personal condition calguy Sep 2019 #5
There is absolutley nothing to the laws of attraction thing Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #7
If that's what you believe that's how it works for you calguy Sep 2019 #8
Actually there isn't any science to back it up Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #12
Since I really give a rat's ass calguy Sep 2019 #16
Hahha, you "give a rat's ass" but aren't going to waste time? Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #19
OK please provide the links that show peer reviewed quantum physics research papers Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #13
We will be waiting till infinity Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #20
"Actually, there's a lot of Quantum Physics research out there that backs it up." Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #28
Speak for yourself Dream Girl Sep 2019 #9
You don't understand scientific theory or how science works Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #11
" Gravity is still a theory. So is evolution." Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #14
When I was a kid, we were taught that mountains were formed by the crust of the earth shrinking Dream Girl Sep 2019 #17
How about taking a basic science course Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #21
No need to insult Dream Girl Sep 2019 #24
It wasn't an insult, it was advice Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #25
Visualize whirled peas. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #6
Sorry I keep visualizing Dr. Pimple Popper and mashed peas. Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #15
One word: NEXT Towlie Sep 2019 #10
+1 Joe941 Sep 2019 #18
DONE crazytown Sep 2019 #22
Here's my visualization! Towlie Sep 2019 #26
Sometimes these hurricanes aren't too smart crazytown Sep 2019 #27
 

EveHammond13

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1. she's not my top choice, but this doesn't bother me.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Sep 2019

what bothers me is when tweets are used to call women "horse faces" "crazy" "low IQ" etc.

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Dream Girl

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2. She just left out the "prayers part". Visualization is as effective as "praying", maybe more so
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Sep 2019

People are so hypocritical. No one blinks an eye at "thoughts and prayers" or praying in general. But depending on your pov, it's just as silly. (And I am not an atheist...)

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applegrove

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3. You are correct. I send vibes all the time. Who am i to judge.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:58 PM
Sep 2019
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Backseat Driver

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23. Actually, there are some very intelligent people
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:49 AM
Sep 2019

who entertain the science fields in which they are very well-educated to explore how "sending vibes" may actually work to set both a physical and emotional difference for the good of and for the inhabitants on this planet. I have no personal knowledge of these people but they include physicians, engineers, physicists, astronomers, meteorologists, oceanographers, and psychologists, and educators. I have a curious mind too, and so I do explore their hypotheses because I've just grown annoyed at the tired phrase, "thoughts and prayers." I've determined those that say it, don't mean it and do not wish to exhibit the vulnerability to connect with others in pain.

I came across a site on-line that offers up to the OP and other members of DU some research and scientific experiments toward having an impact on any Earthly challenge by just using our minds. Ms. Williamson suggested visualization to change the path of a hurricane. Other scientists and motivational writers and speakers have suggested that having group mindfulness can influence various other forms of constructive energy in the mind and in the physical world around us. The intolerant just laugh at what they perceive as Ms. Williamson's "flower child's" passion without realizing that passion energizes in form and function and that with energy (and money, LOL), people can choose how to best meet this huge political challenge every four years. Be kind; make wise choices.


https://www.heartmath.org/gci/
https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/









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TwilightZone

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4. A lot of people have criticized the "thoughts and prayers" brigade...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 03:09 PM
Sep 2019

particularly in reference to mass shootings when it's the only "solution" offered.

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calguy

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5. visualization and intention can work wonders in one's personal condition
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 03:16 PM
Sep 2019

Having a good vision and intention of where you want to be makes it easier to identify, focus, and do the things you need to do to get there. There's a lot to the "Law of Attraction" thing for those who practice it.
When it comes to changing hurricanes and such, not so much.

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Bradshaw3

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7. There is absolutley nothing to the laws of attraction thing
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019

Unless you consider conning people and pseudo science good things. There is NO science to back up any of it, period.

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calguy

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8. If that's what you believe that's how it works for you
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:48 PM
Sep 2019

Actually there is a lot of Quantum Physics research out there that backs up it up. But you are free to believe anything you want.

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Bradshaw3

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12. Actually there isn't any science to back it up
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:17 PM
Sep 2019

Post any peer-reviewed, independent research from a credentialed quantum physicist in a respected physics journal backing up your claim. In order for it to be acceptable, it has to meet that criteria. There isn't any of course.

Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, even if it's bullshit. You don't have a right to your own facts, especially since you are on a website that values facts and science.

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calguy

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16. Since I really give a rat's ass
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:24 PM
Sep 2019

I'm not going to waste my time with you.

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Bradshaw3

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19. Hahha, you "give a rat's ass" but aren't going to waste time?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:59 AM
Sep 2019


And you responded several times, so it seems you care a lot. Sorry if the truth about the laws of attracton hurts but that doesn't change the fact it is bullshit, something you claimed was backed by science but are unable to back up.
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Voltaire2

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13. OK please provide the links that show peer reviewed quantum physics research papers
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:19 PM
Sep 2019

that confirm the 'laws of attraction".


I'll wait.

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Bradshaw3

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20. We will be waiting till infinity
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:00 AM
Sep 2019
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Act_of_Reparation

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28. "Actually, there's a lot of Quantum Physics research out there that backs it up."
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 11:26 AM
Sep 2019

If "by a lot", you mean "none"; or by "Quantum Physics" you mean "hokey bullshit some con artist cooked up to make a buck off desperate and gullible people."

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Dream Girl

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9. Speak for yourself
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 05:25 PM
Sep 2019

Neither you nor "science" know all there is to know. Our existing scientific knowledge may not back it up but that don't mean shit. It is possible that there is something to it, but we just don't yet have that understanding. Gravity is still a theory. So is evolution.

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Bradshaw3

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11. You don't understand scientific theory or how science works
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:12 PM
Sep 2019

Post any peer-reviewed, independent research from a credentialed scientist backing up the laws of attraction bullshit. Otherwise, you are every bit as wrong as the climate science deniers and the anti-vaxxers. You are on the wrong web site with your anti-factual, anti-scientifc beliefs.

Oh, and yeah, gravity and evolution aren't just theories, they are accepted scientific fact. If you want to get conned by the woo, that is your right. We have enough attacks on science without having it on a Democratic site.

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Voltaire2

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14. " Gravity is still a theory. So is evolution."
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:20 PM
Sep 2019

OK.

I surrender. You win the internets today.

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Dream Girl

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17. When I was a kid, we were taught that mountains were formed by the crust of the earth shrinking
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:59 PM
Sep 2019

and cooling like a baked apple. Then 50ish years ago the theory of plate tectonics became the prevailing theory - now widely accepted, but that wasn't all that long ago. Our understanding of the world changes. Perhaps there is a mechanism by which LOA works and our current "science" and peer reviewed articles are not equipped to explain how it works. Maybe astrology is real too. Admittedly, I am far from a scientist, so maybe that's why I don't have the same knee jerk (and arrogant) reactions you do. Our scientific understanding of the world is constantly evolving. I'm excited to see what's next...

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Bradshaw3

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21. How about taking a basic science course
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:05 AM
Sep 2019

Then you could learn not only what's next but what has come before, such as how scientific theory like those involving evolution, physics and gravity works and how it becomes accepted fact.

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Dream Girl

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24. No need to insult
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:06 PM
Sep 2019

I’m not a scientist I said that. And of course I know that evolution, gravity, etc. are proven. But I have a hard time with those who believe that we know all there is to know. Could it be possible that science doesn’t yet know everything? Could it be possible that there are instruments of measurement that are decades away from being developed. Perhaps 100 years from now “science” will prove there is an eternal soul or will uncover the mechanism behind how LOA works. I’m proud to have an open mind and I laugh at your snarkiness

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Bradshaw3

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25. It wasn't an insult, it was advice
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:28 PM
Sep 2019

These are your own words: "Gravity is still a theory. So is evolution." That is the same language the creationists use to imply that their "theory" is just as valid as accepted science. When you mae those comments it shows you have a lot to learn about how science workds; hence the suggestion.

And no one has said we know all there is to know That is unscientific and a deflection on your part to say that. It's not too late to learn; plenty of free online courses. Just a suggestion - you can take it or not.

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Voltaire2

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15. Sorry I keep visualizing Dr. Pimple Popper and mashed peas.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:21 PM
Sep 2019
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Towlie

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26. Here's my visualization!
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 11:07 AM
Sep 2019
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crazytown

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27. Sometimes these hurricanes aren't too smart
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 11:17 AM
Sep 2019

If Dorian wanted a couple of days to slow down and let it all hang out, Mar-a-Lago was the just the place.

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