Democratic Primaries

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts) Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:52 PM Sep 2019

Trump reportedly suspending military aid to Ukraine to force them to investigate Joe Biden

I'm seeing more and more stories and tweets about this.

The most recent tweet, from Robert Reich just minutes ago, links to a new piece at the Washington Post:

Link to tweet

Horrifying report: Trump isn’t just soliciting Ukraine’s help with 2020 presidential campaign. He’s using U.S. military aid that Ukraine desperately needs to force Ukraine to launch an investigation of Joe Biden. #ImpeachTrump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/is-trump-strong-arming-ukraines-new-president-for-political-gain/2019/09/05/4eb239b0-cffa-11e9-8c1c-7c8ee785b855_story.html

More articles:

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/08/28/trump-biden-ukraine-aid.html

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-military-aid-to-ukraine-878607/

Adam Schiff tweet:

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Trump reportedly suspending military aid to Ukraine to force them to investigate Joe Biden (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 2019 OP

Greenland, Chosen One, Sharpies, and now this crazytown Sep 2019 #1

School lunches, California emissions, and black rhinos underpants Sep 2019 #6

Right next to Crimes and Misdemeanors C_U_L8R Sep 2019 #2

TREASONOUS BASTARD!!!!! MyOwnPeace Sep 2019 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #4

Doesn't Putin have the Ukraine yet? underpants Sep 2019 #5

Trump many lose bigly on this, but Biden will lose biglier. floppyboo Sep 2019 #7

That hit piece on Biden is by a RW "journalist" who's a frequent guest of Hannity's. And highplainsdem Sep 2019 #8

Yup TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #18

Can you copy and paste some of the article? Its not a public site. floppyboo Sep 2019 #20

Here's the LBN topic about it from May: highplainsdem Sep 2019 #21

My suggestion: Don't link articles here. floppyboo Sep 2019 #23

Then there's the unspoken threat. Aaron Pereira Sep 2019 #9

Better get used to this. If Biden is our nominee, this will be a constant albatross. progressoid Sep 2019 #10

There's nothing to this. And if you think Trump won't try something similar against any other highplainsdem Sep 2019 #11

There was nothing to pizzagate or the emails either but that was effective. progressoid Sep 2019 #13

Hillary still managed to win the popular vote. Biden should be able to win the electoral college. highplainsdem Sep 2019 #16

If we don't take the Senate and keep the House, it will continue for Joe's term. shraby Sep 2019 #12

If we don't take the Senate and keep the House, any Democrat who's elected president highplainsdem Sep 2019 #17

Walter Shaub: If Trump is blocking aid for this reason, it's an impeachable abuse of power. highplainsdem Sep 2019 #14

Thank you for this from Walter Cha Sep 2019 #19

yup floppyboo Sep 2019 #22

Start impeachment of the bastard NOW. sinkingfeeling Sep 2019 #15

Rachel Maddow had Jeremy Bash on her show to talk about this story tonight. highplainsdem Sep 2019 #24

crazytown

(7,277 posts)

1. Greenland, Chosen One, Sharpies, and now this

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:58 PM

Sep 2019

he's lost it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

underpants

(182,885 posts)

6. School lunches, California emissions, and black rhinos

Reply to crazytown (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:13 PM

Sep 2019

and that is just TODAY

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)

2. Right next to Crimes and Misdemeanors

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:58 PM

Sep 2019

there's treason and bribery.

Trump wins the Superfecta !!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

MyOwnPeace

(16,939 posts)

3. TREASONOUS BASTARD!!!!!

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

Sep 2019

Screwing an ally to make dirt on a political opponent. FRY HIS ASS NOW!!!!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #3)

Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.

underpants

(182,885 posts)

5. Doesn't Putin have the Ukraine yet?

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:12 PM

Sep 2019

Asking for a friend

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)

7. Trump many lose bigly on this, but Biden will lose biglier.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:30 PM

Sep 2019

The Ukrainian government requested the AG to look into this initially. Like, 10 months ago or something? To their credit, the US AG didn't act on it .

My main take away: This is something the new Ukrainian prosecutor, is instigating. Trump is just an opportunist.
Barr didn't act. Why rock the boat unless necessary?
They are afraid of Biden, so now its necessary.
Trump is a shit head.
Other big money US interests have been deemed not so necessary.

Article from The Hill: Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived
By John Solomon — 04/01/19 09:37 PM EDT

But then, as Biden’s 2020 campaign ramped up over the past year, Lutsenko — the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden once hailed as a “solid” replacement for Shokin — began looking into what happened with the Burisma case that had been shut down.

Lutsenko told me that, while reviewing the Burisma investigative files, he discovered “members of the Board obtained funds as well as another U.S.-based legal entity, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, for consulting services.”

Lutsenko said some of the evidence he knows about in the Burisma case may interest U.S. authorities and he’d like to present that information to new U.S. Attorney General William Barr, particularly the vice president’s intervention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)

8. That hit piece on Biden is by a RW "journalist" who's a frequent guest of Hannity's. And

Reply to floppyboo (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:36 PM

Sep 2019

that story was discredited months ago.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-13/ukraine-prosecutor-made-up-biden-allegation-kiev-lawmaker-says

Trump is apparently trying to extort Ukraine's government into inventing something to cause trouble for Bden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)

18. Yup

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:00 PM

Sep 2019

The Ukrainians looked into it years ago. This is a fake controversy the RW is trying to manufacture against Biden. They are abusing their power to put pressure on a foreign government to make up dirt on Democratic Presidential candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)

20. Can you copy and paste some of the article? Its not a public site.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:41 PM

Sep 2019

I don't doubt any of what you suggest. I'm just saying it will not go away and will be a problem. Not that its right that that should happen. The 24 hour news channels are horrible for gossip.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)

21. Here's the LBN topic about it from May:

Reply to floppyboo (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:50 PM

Sep 2019

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142315988

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)

23. My suggestion: Don't link articles here.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 04:19 PM

Sep 2019

If I use IE, and search the last 24 hours for 'Biden Ukraine' DU comes up as the 3rd link. That's how search engines work - the more links, the higher the rank.
edit to explain: links = relevance in the whole algorithm thing. If you want to help your candidate, stay away from hot potatos.
I understand people want to fact check. maybe just copy paste some bits?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)

9. Then there's the unspoken threat.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:39 PM

Sep 2019

The result of the investigation needs to conclude Biden is guilty of . . . something.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

progressoid

(49,999 posts)

10. Better get used to this. If Biden is our nominee, this will be a constant albatross.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:02 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)

11. There's nothing to this. And if you think Trump won't try something similar against any other

Reply to progressoid (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:12 PM

Sep 2019

candidate who becomes the front-runner, you're being naive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

progressoid

(49,999 posts)

13. There was nothing to pizzagate or the emails either but that was effective.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:16 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)

16. Hillary still managed to win the popular vote. Biden should be able to win the electoral college.

Reply to progressoid (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:25 PM

Sep 2019

And again, Trump and the GOP will come up with fake scandals about any Democratic candidate they feel threatened by.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

shraby

(21,946 posts)

12. If we don't take the Senate and keep the House, it will continue for Joe's term.

Reply to progressoid (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:12 PM

Sep 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)

17. If we don't take the Senate and keep the House, any Democrat who's elected president

Reply to shraby (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:26 PM

Sep 2019

will be in for obstruction and investigations.

Not just Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)

14. Walter Shaub: If Trump is blocking aid for this reason, it's an impeachable abuse of power.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:22 PM

Sep 2019

Link to tweet

The appearance of a link between Trump's threat to block aid to Ukraine and Trump's attorney demanding that Ukraine investigate his political rival is a red alarm. If the link can be proven, it's an impeachable abuse of power. It must be investigated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden