Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders' speechwriter: vote for another candidate and "lots of people are going to die"
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's the right thing to do. Will BS do the right thing? It remains to be seen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)chops to get those policies in place leaves us in exactly the same place that Dave is threatening. Any such leader surrounded by "yes" men won't be of any use.
Even if that leader and team is totally convinced that words, even very angry very loud ones, are the same thing as actual acheivements, it's just not true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)that will go along and not kill people?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
A Democratic led Senate is necessary for ANY hope of mitigating, let alone reversing the damage that Trump and his enablers - and I'm looking at you, Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein and all the "Never Hillary" geniuses - have inflicted on this country for decades.
Anyone who doesn't get that is delusional.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(59,158 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Especially when one disqualifies oneself as an ethical journalist to the point of resorting to attempting to scrub one's own twitter history in an attempt to prevent further damage to their credibility.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/politics/bernie-sanders-hires-former-journalist/index.html
However there will always be paid work with ambitious politicians for those who are willing to, with a straight face, display to the media a stunning lack of self-awareness or irony in their statements.
See also Kellyanne Conway.
I just want to know where that concern is for people who have died as a result of the Trump team taking the White House, due in part to the efforts of "Never Hillary" Russia/GOP enablers like him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MythosMaster
(445 posts)You're misrepresenting or misunderstanding?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)And Im no fan of the guy, but he just didnt say that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)"if the team you're so enthusiastically rooting for wins the election but doesn't actually put in place policies that end the health care and climate crises, then lots of people are going to die."
That can quite reasonably be interpreted as "vote for someone else and people will die". It's not even remotely difficult to come to that conclusion.
Here's an idea: perhaps we should avoid the politics of fear. Just a thought.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)He hardly needs anyone interpreting a straightforward statement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)"if the team you're so enthusiastically rooting for wins the election but doesn't actually put in place policies that end the health care and climate crises..."
That's not a reference to Trump; that's a reference to candidates who aren't "real" Democrats...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,525 posts)if they don't vote for Sirota's candidate.. I wonder who that could be?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MythosMaster
(445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MythosMaster
(445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)I really do not like David Sirota
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,324 posts)I don't think best people want to be associated with his campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,174 posts)Too true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,787 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,180 posts)it's something rabid sports fans with zero interest in politics need to know
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,180 posts)infers that people will die if you vote for someone other than Bernie
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)"if the team you're so enthusiastically rooting for wins the election but doesn't actually put in place policies that end the health care and climate crises, then..."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)It's not at all difficult to conclude that that's what he's implying. He isn't even trying to hide it; it's in plain sight.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,180 posts)he is surely aware Bernie is not the only candidate addressing climate and healthcare issues
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,598 posts)or healthcare issues. The only team that does is the Democratic one.
He's implying that a Democrat would do no more than Republicans because they aren't true progressives. Only Bernie is a progressive and uncorrupted. Remember, Bernie repeatedly says the Democratic Party is corrupt and bought off by lobbyists and wealthy donors and Wall Street and that Bernie introduced progressive issues when he ran for president, that universal health care, higher minimum wage, taxing the wealthy and so on were "radical" ideas to "elite" "establishment" Democrats who ignore the working/middle classes/unions.
It's the usual attack on Democrats. I really wonder what Warren thinks about these things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,180 posts)AND the people who represent them
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Don't know why anyone falls for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,180 posts)yup
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)a member of the inner circle, so if anyone on the team is being listened to, it's Sirota.
But yes, working for a micromanager is often unrewarding, but one takes the employment opportunies one can.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,680 posts)Trump often claims the economy will collapse if he loses. Desperation brings out the stupid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,529 posts)Fear mongering for votes.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This is the sure sign of a desperate campaign... a campaign that's in trouble... a campaign whose staff and surrogates (and candidate) know and are fully aware that they have ZERO chance of being our party's nominee. This is a scorched-earth tactic that only serves to harm the party and benefit the GOP. What good purpose does that serve? As some sort of "punishment" for all those who rejected the BS promises of unicorns and rainbows? Seriously? If people are rejecting the candidate, there's a reason. It makes more sense for the staff (and surrogates) to look INWARD at their own problems and weaknesses than to blame (and threaten) others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,598 posts)Bernie's Medicare for All and Green New Deal or nothing. Crises, death. Only Bernie can save you. REPENT.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's exactly right... you nailed it! And I'm fucking sick of the smears and attacks and denigrating comments about the Democratic party and Democrats. It's divisive, it's repulsive, it only creates conflict, distrust and resentment. That kind of negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
What good purpose does THAT serve? Whose EGO and VANITY is worth that?
Answer: NOBODY!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is by definition, corrupt or a stooge.
To question anything that Senator Sanders says is to "hate" affordable health care, environmental protection, and social justice and everything progressive.
To fact check him means that one is "working on the part of the corporate owned media," but any positive article in the corporate owned media means that the author of the article "gets it."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,541 posts)...from air pollution because people like Bernie Sanders hate nuclear energy.
In any case, people will still die if everyone votes for Bernie Sanders, since dying is a side effect of being born.
Maybe Bernie's speechwriter thinks Bernie Sanders is God, but personally I disagree. I think he's a tired old fool, belonging in the lower end of the pack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)As for your second point, one of the most outspoken advocates actually said this about "Medicare for All" when discussing the overall cost of health care:
"Why arent we incorporating the cost of all the funeral expenses of those who die because they cant afford access to health care
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,541 posts)...to be vastly superior to everything else, and it is.
If the risk and observed consequences are smaller than the things it displaces, this follows:
I have gotten in trouble on other websites for stating this truth: Opposing nuclear energy is essentially murder, since nuclear energy saves lives.
Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 48894895)
It's pretty funny. The people who objected vociferously to this truth are the same people who used to prattle on about their love of science and in particular the science of one of the authors of this paper, Jim Hansen, until Jim Hansen said something that they didn't want to hear.
They went full Trump into science denial.
Life is interesting and amusing, if not always sweet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Perhaps it should be stenciled on a magnet and placed on the refrigerator door.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)I dont like Sirota- hes been misleading in the past.
But hes not wrong on this.
We must elect someone who will actually address the problems facing our country, or people WILL die due to climate change.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)They think its achievable, and allows us to win the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)If GOP bstructs the next Dem president and we end up with Ted Cruz 2024 I hate to say that our slide to authoritarianism will be complete.
We need not just to win in 2020 but to beat the GOP 2020-2024.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)In 2009 we had the ability to improve health coverage but not provide a public option
In 2021 we will have the ability to provide a public option but not achieve MfA.
We advance incrementally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)but Bernie will do so.
He's passively damning anyone whose doing better in the polls than Sanders as a danger to our very future.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)But just reading the words of that tweet, Sirota is describing most Dem candidateswho are calling for major systemic change.
And Im an optimist so I choose to read it that way
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He was and is an attack dog against the Democratic party. Your optimism concerning his respect for Democratic Candidates is misplaced.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/03/20/why-did-bernie-hire-a-twitter-bully-who-attacks-democrats/
That's why he scrubbed his twitter account when it came out that he was working on the Sanders campaign - too many incriminating tweets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)But that's just my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is more qualifed and capable than their rivals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,700 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)And he's 100% right. It's a statement of fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is incapable of doing anything about those problems. Only Bernie can save us.
So people will die if you don't vote for Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,525 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden