Democratic Primaries
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(22,156 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)he's upset - LOL
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Its only a matter of time before he blows his top over this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Biden 29% Bernie 18% Warren 16% Harris 7% Buttigieg 5 %
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,684 posts)That worries me about Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,684 posts)Warren is great but she is not our best candidate to win in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)like someone who would mark you absent for coming in 1 minute late or give you an F for returning an assignment a couple of hours late -- even if you had a valid reason.
However, if elected, she will make a very fine POTUS and I'd have no qualms or reservations in supporting her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,467 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,467 posts)job. You used the term to denigrate her.
She is a college professor known for her research (which is well over half of her responsibilities in that role) and teaching top students at one of the most highly regarded universities in the world. The gap between the demands, degree requirements, and actual job duties of her former job and that of someone who teaches elementary school, for example, is huge. If you doubt that society views it that way, ask why she was likely paid 8 to 10 times as much as a school teacher.
Would you call Paul Krugman a school teacher? Maybe, if you want to minimize his accomplishments. But I have never heard even a critic of him call him thatcould it be because hes male and no one is confusing these jobs in his case?
Teaching is a noble profession, but when you use the school teacher label as a negativeexactly as the right wing doesthat is a big problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Am I right?
Furthermore, "professor" is a male dominated field.
One should think twice and read three times before casting aspersions about sexism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)Doesn't she make sure to always mention how she wanted to be a school teacher and went to college to do just that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thank you for telling it like it is!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Please point to a single gender-descriptive word in my post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Clash City Rocker
(3,398 posts)Although I dont know your gender or the genders of the others here, you are telling people how to feel about something that women have to deal with all the time. Maybe just listen and consider that they may have a point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,467 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Please point to it!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)them...The 'dementia'...time to pass the torch kind of posts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)Where i live about 40% of the county teachers are male.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,467 posts)dominated. National statistics show that more than 70% of teachers (excluding professors) are female.
As another poster suggested, rather than arguing, why not listen to and learn from women who have experienced and/or studied the phenomenon of putting women down? Its not an identical example, but if you were to criticize a doctor by saying she seemed like Nurse Ratched, you would be insulting her not only by employing sexist stereotypes and criticizing her behavior that would not be criticized in a male doctor, but also by not respecting the stature of her profession as a doctor. Women deal with this all their working lives, and it should not be acceptable to anyone on a progressive board.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,083 posts)Elizabeth Warren Is the Teacher All the Students Hope to Get in the Fall
The happy warrior goes to the Iowa State Fair.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/amp28669312/elizabeth-warren-iowa-state-fair/?__twitter_impression=true
...
But the thing that's sold Elizabeth Warren to Iowa is primarily Elizabeth Warren. None of the candidates seems to be having as much fun as she is. The endless selfies after speeches. The pinky-swears with young girls about how what girls do is run for president. Her willingness to hold town halls anywhere. That loose-limbed, almost goofy wave with which she steps onto every stage. In a gloomy political time, with a humorless sociopathic bully in the White House, and with all the worst impulses of the national Id come out to play, Senator Professor Warren is the campaign's happy warrior, the teacher everybody hopes they get when school starts up again in the fall. People respond to the good feeling around her campaign as much as they respond to the blizzard of policy proposals that campaign has loosed upon the electorate.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)manner, and when she is responding, can be affirming as in thats a good question!
Always sounds to me like the good kind of professor trying to get students engaged, sharing her passion, showing an enthusiasm for ideas, in this case, her own plans.
I am not sure if her speaking style is one a wider swath of voters will be drawn to. She is always in
command of her subject matter, but I find that fact, and her authoritative tone, irritating.
The thing is that shes not dealing with subject matter now and shes not in the lecture auditorium.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,787 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,083 posts)She doesnt connect with them, completely ignoring the fact that she has.
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/25/18514995/she-the-people-elizabeth-warren-kamala-harris-women-of-color-voters
Prominent women of color are putting 2020 candidates on the spot. Warren and Harris shined.
The two senators won over crowds at the first-ever policy forum for women of color on Wednesday.
By Li Zhouli@vox.com Apr 25, 2019, 2:30pm EDT
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Even if she's not first choice, I don't imagine lots of AA voters voting for Trump or staying home, I think Warren would still get those votes. It's not like black voters don't like Warren, they just like Biden more.
As I posted in another thread recently:
Someone can like multiple candidates, but you still have to pick just one when you vote.
Latest relevant poll seems to be this one:
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_1909091558.pdf#page=3
Biden and Sanders have 47% favorability among non-white voters (they didn't break out AA specifically), Warren's is right there at 46%. And Warren has more room to go up, because 21% haven't yet formed an opinion about her, compared to only 12% who haven't yet formed an opinion about Biden.
Just because Biden is not someone's FIRST choice when they can only choose one, you can't assume they wouldn't be similarly happy to vote for someone else. Just as I currently list Warren as my first choice, but if it ended up being my second choice Buttigieg in November, I'd be equally enthusiastic to cast that vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)as they will cheat if the election is close.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,527 posts)Perhaps you should go with another candidate, since that would make Harris way, way down the list when it comes to choosing our "best" candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,684 posts)Warren is way behind last i checked.
I still like Harris and its possible she might catch fire later on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)In 2 Rust Belt states.
So, there goes the "Rust Belt Electability" myth...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)What was I thinking?
There was a poll last week so I must be wrong!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Google them. They are Little Marco's pollster.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)Or perhaps not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)Hence, the "perhaps not". That's quite the Republican list of bios.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Why would a supposedly progressive poster lend credibility to a Republican poll?
BTW, 538 gives them a C+.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)But context is important. I'm naturally skeptical of polling agencies that seemingly show up out of nowhere with numbers that appear to be out-of-whack from everyone else. I'm surprised they've been around long enough for 538 to rank.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)Using a misleading headline, implying the poll was evidence that Joe was they ONLY Dem beating Trump in the polls in the Rust Belt, which was absolutely not true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)But beware, the headline and OP are misleading, implying that Biden is the only candidate beating Trump in ANY Rust Belt state - he is ahead in all 3 states, where Warren and Sanders are ahead of Trump in 2/3 states, and in Sanders case, by much larger margins than Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)I know that is an outlier if in fact it is legit...got to read the details of polls. She was definietly losing Wisconsin...and Pennsylvania...Michigan no way Biden and Obama saved GM and Chrysler.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)Click the link in the OP to read the complete data, as the headline and OP are misleading.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,527 posts)That doesn't make it true. It makes your "point" more obvious each time you do: i.e. you are really worried Warren will beat Joe, so come up with BS instead of facts. Desperation time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thanks for the laugh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,527 posts)I knew that, I just wanted others to know that you are just making things up. Thanks for proving my point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
5starlib
(191 posts)Biden can beat Trump and take it out of cheating distance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Real political junkies know this to be true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)We have to win the states' primaries. Then we have to win the Electoral College which is state by state. It's hard to take these polls seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)If hes not doing that already.
Fox actually runs a good poll. It would be sad if they changed that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Medicare buy in: 68/24
Improve ACA: 57/34
Single payer: 46/48
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The sweet spot is Medicare 4 All Who Want It.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Changing the health care system so that every American can buy into Medicare if they want to? = 68/24
Making minor changes to Obamacare while largely leaving the law in place? = 57/34
Getting rid of private health insurance and moving to a government-run health care system for everyone? = 46/48
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Was typing on my phone and saw the results on Twitter.
Its always good to have the wording to the questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)Or not.
Let them all go down the tangerine vortex of doom.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)Head to head:
Biden 53 Warren 37
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(9,119 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,056 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WA-03 Democrat
(3,054 posts)I love Joe and think hes the best person. Ill support any democratic candidates. Its do or die.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,401 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)against Trump, and the number of undecideds for the other candidates. Hopefully, when push comes to shove, they will actually pull the lever for the Dem, but if Biden is not the nominee, the Rust Belt worries me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)The undecideds go up against non-Biden candidates, but Trumps support doesnt improve much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Who Said It: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford or Simpsons Mayor Diamond Joe Quimby?
Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine, Toronto Mayor Rob Ford told reporters on Tuesday. He then added: There have been times when Ive been in a drunken stupor. The highly quotable Ford has never sounded more like the Simpsons fictional mayor, Diamond Joe Quimby. Back in May, Justin Peters put together an extremely difficult Ford-or-Quimby? quiz. Put yourself to the test below.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)this will help him get votes?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)about the earlier Diamond Joes.
My reaction when I first glanced at your post and saw the words "Diamond Joe" was that it was by somebody who didn't like Biden. I was surprised to see the term used by a supporter because it has so many negative associations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vogon_Glory
(9,127 posts)I suspect that not only a couple of squeaker states that went for Individual 1 not only have had buyers remorse, but at least one or two electoral vote-rich red states might go for Team Donkeys candidate in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)It's a Fox News poll. What sampling did they use? You see Right wingers who take a poll do a Lewandowski - they lie to the pollster. They want to 1) scare the living pants off Trump supporters so they'll work harder to boost their voters, and 2) build overconfidence amongst Democrats so they won't work as hard, won't donate, won't participate, will figure it's a done deal.
So these polls in my view are deliberately skewed and I would put LITTLE IF ANY stock in them. I thought this was happening in 2016 and I still do, but few if any agreed with my theory.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)Look at Fox polls like this. Well said
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)69% races called right. O.6% Democratic bias
A RATED
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,787 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)Their polls have actually been quite good, surprisingly. 538 has them rated A.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)contributed to her loss.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)Trump wasn't even in the race yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sugarcoated
(7,728 posts)and this is a completely different moment in time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)Regardless of accuracy!!
But i cant wait to hear Rush scream "fake poll" about a FOX poll
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden