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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:08 PM Sep 2019

Vox - Sanders's top staffers are making a pointed case against Warren

Bernie has no problem attacking Democrats. With Elizabeth Warren, he is simply taking her proposals and doubling them and presenting them as his own like he did with the wealth tax, then creating an artificial progressive test where anyone who is not Bernie is not a progressive. I wonder whether Bernie's test will address immigration, gun control, or Russia?

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/24/20879833/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-2020-campaign

The campaign’s official position is that their primary focus is going after Joe Biden, as Sanders’s pollster Ben Tulchin told Huffpost, sharing a text message script aimed at persuading Biden voters. But several members of Sanders’s team haven’t been sticking to that same script.

Sanders’s team has identified a series of progressive policy litmus tests around housing, climate, and education policy to cast Sanders as the true candidate for the left and convince voters, including 2016 supporters who might have started to consider Warren as another option. And some prominent Sanders staffers like Gray and senior adviser Warren Gunnels, have taken to social media to highlight the differences between the two senators. Over the weekend, Sanders, himself, held a 4,000-person rally in Warren’s hometown of Norman, Oklahoma, with the message that he could win.

Warren’s staff isn’t throwing the same punches (her campaign declined to comment for this story). And Sanders’s team says this isn’t part of its explicit strategy.

“While elites and political pundits are busy obsessing over tweets, our campaign is building a movement to lift up working class Americans and transform our economy so it works for all of us,” Sanders campaign spokesperson Mike Casca told Vox in an emailed statement.
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Vox - Sanders's top staffers are making a pointed case against Warren (Original Post) TomCADem Sep 2019 OP
... BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #1
Zero-minute abs coming up ... nt PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #2
On twitter, the top staffers (Turner, Gray, Sirota) have been waging a non-stop assault.... George II Sep 2019 #3
Yep, they are turning on Warren because she's now ahead comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #8
Bernie has to be aware that is happening. If he isn't, what does that say about his leadership Blue_true Sep 2019 #14
Of course he's aware NastyRiffraff Sep 2019 #18
True. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #20
They need to sell their candidate not bash Democrats who are in the primary. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #4
Their candidate disagrees. Sanders is a famous micromanager. Hortensis Sep 2019 #13
If that's the case (and I suspected it was) then their behavior is endorsed, or directed, by him. George II Sep 2019 #16
:) Yes. Presumably they're happy being sicced on his targets. Hortensis Sep 2019 #17
That's why he's having a tough time cracking 15% in a number of states. He's at risk.... George II Sep 2019 #19
15-20 at this point? Interesting... Hortensis Sep 2019 #21
Some predicted all along that Bernie would try to burn down the house if he was losing. Blue_true Sep 2019 #15
Larry David as Bernie, SNL skit "The Price is Right": "We're gonna win this thing the Bernie way. betsuni Sep 2019 #22
National rent control? BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #5
Does anybody still care about Bernie's purity tests? Perhaps his comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #6
omg no. Cha Sep 2019 #11
Tag team tactic has backfired for Bernie Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 #7
karma Cha Sep 2019 #12
Who is surprised by this?? Gothmog Sep 2019 #9
Demonizing other candidates is never a good idea NYMinute Sep 2019 #10
NBC News: Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke TomCADem Sep 2019 #24
Taking other people's proposals and exaggerating them so he can say nobody else is as progressive. betsuni Sep 2019 #23
 

PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
2. Zero-minute abs coming up ... nt
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:10 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
3. On twitter, the top staffers (Turner, Gray, Sirota) have been waging a non-stop assault....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:13 PM
Sep 2019

...on Warren in recent days.

It was Biden a week or two ago, but seems the strategy has shifted with the recent poll results.

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comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
8. Yep, they are turning on Warren because she's now ahead
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:28 PM
Sep 2019

of BS and on the rise.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. Bernie has to be aware that is happening. If he isn't, what does that say about his leadership
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:50 PM
Sep 2019

capacity? I think it will backfire and alienate his remaining sane supporters.

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NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
18. Of course he's aware
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:19 PM
Sep 2019

It's well documented that he's a micro manager. He knows and approves. Or he'd stop it.

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redstatebluegirl

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4. They need to sell their candidate not bash Democrats who are in the primary.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:23 PM
Sep 2019

Our candidates are strong and can run on their own merits, we don't need to have one bashing the others. This is feeling more and more like 2016 all the time. We can't come out of the primaries all bloody and weak.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Their candidate disagrees. Sanders is a famous micromanager.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:43 PM
Sep 2019

His staff does what he wants, and he hired attack dogs to follow orders in the style he wishes.

As for like 2016 though , some state polls are showing him not breaking the 15% needed to get any delegates at all, and there's still plenty of time for his long decline to continue. A lot fewer people who voted for him out of spite against Hillary are interested in him this time.

Even worse for him, he'd have to have 300 to put his name in nomination, so it's possible he could be shut out of contention altogether. As a superdelegate, he can sit and watch of course, but his remnant "lock her up" types would have to do their acting out in the streets with the trumpsters.

Something to shoot for, but for sure his 2016 record is biting him in the ass big time.

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George II

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16. If that's the case (and I suspected it was) then their behavior is endorsed, or directed, by him.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:53 PM
Sep 2019

Any way you look at it, it's divisive.

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Hortensis

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17. :) Yes. Presumably they're happy being sicced on his targets.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:14 PM
Sep 2019

No one forced them to hire themselves out as attack dogs. Most people regard that behavior with great contempt, and it'll be interesting to see who hires them next.

As for divisive, sure, but you know he's what he's always been. More people know what that is now, though, and reject it. Bless his heart.

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George II

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19. That's why he's having a tough time cracking 15% in a number of states. He's at risk....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:21 PM
Sep 2019

...of being shut out of 15-20 states, which is going to be a major blow to his candidacy.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. 15-20 at this point? Interesting...
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:31 PM
Sep 2019

Seriously, I avoid seeing him, but when I do he tends to sound tired and rote, "anyway, the Democrats do it too...", going through the motions on the way to whatever he plans for this convention. Hopefully, he'll get some rest there instead.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. Some predicted all along that Bernie would try to burn down the house if he was losing.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:52 PM
Sep 2019

That is coming to pass.

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betsuni

(25,591 posts)
22. Larry David as Bernie, SNL skit "The Price is Right": "We're gonna win this thing the Bernie way.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:49 PM
Sep 2019

Which means if I lose, I'll bring everyone else down with me."

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BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
5. National rent control?
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:24 PM
Sep 2019

Oooh, that’ll leave a mark.

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Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
6. Does anybody still care about Bernie's purity tests? Perhaps his
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:26 PM
Sep 2019

dwindling cadre of supporters but few others.

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Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
7. Tag team tactic has backfired for Bernie
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:27 PM
Sep 2019

He was playing complacent with thinking if they both join forces and jump on Biden, then Bernie becomes #1.

Instead Biden has held and Warren's campaigning has seen her surge. She is promoting what she is for, not who she is against.

Bernie has been left behind.

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Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
9. Who is surprised by this??
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:46 PM
Sep 2019
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NYMinute

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10. Demonizing other candidates is never a good idea
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:54 PM
Sep 2019

Voters are on to such tactics since 2016 and Democrats know that they imperil their nominee with such behavior.

I applaud Sen Warren, Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke who have led a 100% positive campaign with no attacks on fellow Democrats.

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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
24. NBC News: Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:09 AM
Sep 2019

This has been Bernie's consistent MO. While other candidates have pulled their punches, Bernie's campaign has been trying to knee cap other candidates from the get go.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/inside-bernie-world-s-war-beto-o-rourke-n951016

WASHINGTON — Forces loyal to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are waging an increasingly public war against Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke, the new darling of Democratic activists, as the two men weigh whether to seek the party's presidential nomination in 2020.

The main line of attack against O'Rourke is that he isn't progressive enough — that he's been too close to Republicans in Congress, too close to corporate donors and not willing enough to use his star power to help fellow Democrats — and it is being pushed almost exclusively by Sanders supporters online and in print.

It's been the first flashpoint in what promises to be a politically bloody primary — one that has drawn responses from foot soldiers in the Obama and Clinton wings of the party — as Democrats begin to focus on who has the best chance to deny President Donald Trump a second term in the Oval Office.

* * *
The biggest difference may be that O'Rourke is now a threat to Sanders in the 2020 primary. Though neither man has announced whether he will run, O'Rourke captured the hearts and dollars of veteran Democratic activists, donors of all ages and millennial political newcomers across Texas and the nation in his Senate run.
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betsuni

(25,591 posts)
23. Taking other people's proposals and exaggerating them so he can say nobody else is as progressive.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM
Sep 2019

While insisting he was the first one to talk about such issues because Democrats are the same as Republicans.

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