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TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:16 AM Sep 2019

Why keep Iowa's caucuses? Andrew Yang does the math on the influence of our state

Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang, speaking to several hundred young voters last weekend, said he understood why many young Americans are politically disengaged and why Iowans are different:

“The fact is if you engage in our politics, it can be really depressing, it feels like people aren’t talking to you, and you despair that your time and energy is not going to actually bear any improvement on your life, your way of life. And it’s not just that chunk of young people who are deciding to disengage. Twenty-five percent of Americans are politically disengaged because they don’t believe that we can actually solve these problems. I understand completely.

“The reason why I’m here in Iowa along with the other parade of candidates, is because this is one of the only places where what I just said is patently false. You all can actually make a big, big difference. If I were in any other state in the country, I’d be lying to you if I said your vote could make a big difference, but here, it can. You only need about 40,000 Iowans to change the future of this country.”

Yang was making one of the strongest cases I’ve heard so far this cycle about why the Iowa caucuses are important and why Iowans should participate. He goes on:

“I did the math: Do you know how many Californians each Iowan is worth? One thousand. … That is the magic of this state. This is the only place where democracy actually works.”

Read more: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/kathie-obradovich/caucus/2019/09/26/why-keep-iowa-caucuses-andrew-yang-does-math-young-voters/2446242001/

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
1. I wouldn't say that 40,000 Iowans standing in for all the others is an example
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 06:01 AM
Sep 2019

of "where democracy actually works."

It's the opposite, really. Democracy works when everybody gets a fair chance to participate -- so the more active voters, the better.

Having read the whole article, it seems that the main reason Iowa carries so much weight is because it's one of the first primaries or caucuses. But it could hold a primary on the same date the caucus is now held and still be among the first.

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JI7

(89,252 posts)
2. New Hampshire said they would move their Primary up before Iowa if Iowa switches to Primary
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 06:23 AM
Sep 2019

because they want the status of "first primary in the nation" .

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TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
3. They want that status because of the amount of money that it brings into the state.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 06:33 AM
Sep 2019

The media and campaign staffs have to eat and sleep somewhere.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
4. As a Bernie Supporter
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:09 AM
Sep 2019

I'm not too thrilled with Iowa ….He is only polling at 11% right now ...Iowa could end his campaign … But on a more serious note , .I don't understand why Iowa and NH have to be the first 2 states every cycle ….. I have been of that opinion for many years....Why not , for example, New Mexico and Rhode Island the next cycle and so forth and so on ? …..I think the process should start with 2 small states so candidates who don't have a lot of money have a chance to compete

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Dagstead Bumwood

(3,642 posts)
7. That has never made snese to me, either.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:44 PM
Sep 2019

Not to impugn the political chops of the good folks of Iowa and New Hampshire, but it doesn't seem fair that they always get to go first.

As you suggest, a reasonable solution would be to rotate states each presidential election cycle. Maybe even go further and group them by proximity. So, for instance, you could group Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio together and call it the "Great Lakes Primary" and that group would vote first on the same day in early 2024. Then in 2028, they are the last primary group to vote and the Florida/Georgia/NC/SC "Southeast Primary" gets to go first. You could balance it by population totals to even up the state count a bit, I guess. But, you get the general idea.

I don't know, something needs to be done with the current system, that's for sure.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
5. Despite what the learned Mr. Yang might think, caucuses are inherently undemocratic, and...
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:17 PM
Sep 2019

are in no way representative of the real Democratic base. It's unfair that two small, predominately white states should shape the outcome of our nominating process.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
6. Caucuses are anti-democratic and starting with 2 states...
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:31 PM
Sep 2019

...that don't remotely reflect our electorate has long been ridiculous.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. I absolutely DO NOT agree with his point made in the last paragraph.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:38 PM
Sep 2019

In a democracy, California would have far, far more say in who gets elected President, Iowa a lot less.

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DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
10. Larger States Would Create a Need for Big Media Money
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 02:27 PM
Oct 2019

In small states like Iowa and New Hampshire, you can do retail politics where there is actual face-to-face between the voters and candidates.

The two early states in general also take their responsibility very seriously and make an effort to see the various candidates around.

It's not an ideal situation and perhaps other states like South Carolina and Nevada could rotate, but I would hate for us to lose that personal contact. This coming from someone in a state where the race is generally over by the time they get to me, and we vote so reliably Democrat that it is just out of civic duty (and keeping those popular vote numbers high).

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