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blm

(113,064 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 09:56 PM Oct 2019

August2018/ Sen Warren introduces aggressive anti-corruption legislation

Found at whistleblower.org, coincidentally.

https://www.whistleblower.org/uncategorized/031122-senator-warren-introduces-aggressive-anti-corruption-legislation/

On Tuesday, Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) unveiled the Anti-Corruption and Public Integrity Act, a sweeping piece of legislation that takes aim at “both the appearance and the potential for financial conflicts of interest” among those working for the government. Among other measures, the legislation would completely overhaul the current state of lobbying by imposing a lifetime ban on lobbying by Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Members of Congress, and Cabinet Secretaries.

Announcing the legislation at the National Press Club, Senator Warren emphasized that the bill is not just a reaction to the series of ethics violations by members of the Trump Administration, but a way of addressing the continual decline of trust in the government among American citizens.

“The problem is far bigger than Trump,” Senator Warren said, “Since Watergate, generation after generation of politicians have attacked the very idea that our government can do anything right.”

Although Senator Warren said that the legislation is not about Trump, many of its clauses address conflicts of interest that are specific to his administration. For example, Title I of the legislation would require both the President and the Vice President to “place conflicted assets, including businesses, into a blind trust to be sold off.” This would directly affect the President’s decision to put his assets into a trust that is managed by his sons. Former Director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, Walter Shaub Jr., described this method of asset management as “not even halfway blind.”

The legislation would also require the IRS to release the tax returns for “Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates from the previous 8 years and during each year in federal elected office.” Trump is famously the first president in the modern era who has not released any of his tax returns.

From the perspective of whistleblowers and their advocates, this legislation would provide significant support in their efforts to increase governmental transparency. As a supporter of science whistleblowers, the Government Accountability Project is keenly aware of various agencies’ repeated attempts to suppress peer-reviewed research in favor of biased and inaccurate science. When the FDA under the Bush Administration failed to approve Plan B for over-the-counter sales, Susan Wood, head of the FDA’s Office of Women’s Health, resigned and blew the whistle on the FDA’s misleading claim that the science behind Plan B was still unresolved. Senator Warren’s legislation would take action against this type of politically biased misrepresentation of science by requiring “individuals and corporations to disclose funding or editorial conflicts of interest in research submitted to agencies that is not publicly available in peer-reviewed publications.”

The Act would also establish the U.S. Office of Public Integrity as an independent entity tasked with investigating potential federal ethics violations through subpoena authority, a power that the Inspectors General and U.S. Office of Government Ethics currently lack. This new piece of legislation would provide an additional avenue for oversight and lessen the ability that partisan politics currently has to obscure the truth in cases such as the DHS’s mistreatment of detained children. The Government Accountability Project, on behalf of DHS whistleblowers Dr. Pamela McPherson and Dr. Scott Allen, has continually advocated for a congressional investigation into child detention centers. Since Congress is currently only able to issue subpoenas through a committee majority, members of the committee are able to block subpoenas, and thereby halt investigations, purely for political purposes. However, subpoena authority allows this new independent agency to hold officials accountable and conduct thorough investigations into suspected ethics violations.

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August2018/ Sen Warren introduces aggressive anti-corruption legislation (Original Post) blm Oct 2019 OP
I've been skimming the PDF file of the bill the article links to. Can you tell highplainsdem Oct 2019 #1
Does Joe Biden have an anti-corruption plan? BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #6
Not as far as I know, and AFAIK no other candidates do either, other than Warren, who's made highplainsdem Oct 2019 #7
That's what I thought; it's obviously not a priority for him BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #9
Which otherr candidates have an anti-corruption plan? highplainsdem Oct 2019 #10
This is a thread about Warren's anti-corruption plan BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #12
So you don't know of any others, but you single Biden out? LOL. Btw, Biden has proposed highplainsdem Oct 2019 #16
Warren is a far superior messenger on fighting corruption BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #17
Whether or not you think she's a superior messenger, the fact remains that Biden's leading in highplainsdem Oct 2019 #19
Yeah, that poster tries so predictably hard Cha Oct 2019 #21
Going from "do other candidates have X" to "this is about Warren... leave the other candidates out o LanternWaste Oct 2019 #28
A positive OP about Warren's anti-corruption plan is obviously upsetting certain Biden supporters BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #30
Oh really.. lol@trying to smear Biden Cha Oct 2019 #20
Biden has the same anti-corruption plan Obama did Lexblues Oct 2019 #11
I see, same as Barack's BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #13
Don't hire loyalists, criminals and thugs to run govt operations Lexblues Oct 2019 #14
Mahalo, Lexblues! Cha Oct 2019 #22
I really like her proposal. procon Oct 2019 #2
Is that a typo or did this happen 14 months ago? George II Oct 2019 #3
Not a typo. August 2018 according to the PDF of the bill on Warren's Senate site. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #4
Good that she is committed to her own well thought-out and important bill. Now she needs to emmaverybo Oct 2019 #5
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Oct 2019 #8
You can't control yourself on any Warren thread. Self restraint blm Oct 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author highplainsdem Oct 2019 #18
That "You can't control yourself" line is a personal attack. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #23
Also.. the ".. self-restaint is a virture.. " wow. Cha Oct 2019 #25
Much appreciated, Cha. You are a standup person! emmaverybo Oct 2019 #26
Wow.. that's insulting and condescending to emmaverybo.. Cha Oct 2019 #24
Not true. Warren attacked Trump for what he did to Biden. You blm Oct 2019 #27
+1 MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #29
Exactly right, Cha! highplainsdem Oct 2019 #31
 

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
1. I've been skimming the PDF file of the bill the article links to. Can you tell
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:06 PM
Oct 2019

me of any section there that would apply to adult children of the president or VP (since where I see them mentioned they're listed as exceptions to the new regulations she's proposing)?

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018.08.21%20Anti-Corruption%20and%20Public%20Integrity%20Act%20Bill%20Text.pdf

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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
6. Does Joe Biden have an anti-corruption plan?
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:52 PM
Oct 2019

Didn’t see one on the website. Don’t recall him even talking about one.

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highplainsdem

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7. Not as far as I know, and AFAIK no other candidates do either, other than Warren, who's made
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:11 PM
Oct 2019

trotting out one plan or another (most of which she'd be unlikely to ever get through Congress) her trademark. (Well, except for a health care plan, since not having one spares her having to spell out how much taxes would rise, and also leaves her some wiggle room if she decides MFA isn't tenable for the general election, if she gets that far.)

My question was about whether any of this very long bill applies to presidents and VPs (other than requiring tax returns be released). As far as I could tell skimming it quickly, there's absolutely nothing there to stop members of a president or vice president's family from doing what Hunter Biden's done.

And I assume it isn't there because she knows how unworkable any restrictions like that would be. Adult family members can't be controlled, and you can't very well ask a president or VP to step down or recuse themselves from some area if one of their adult family members does something that creates an appearance of a conflict of interest.

Now if the president or VP does anything unethical themselves, they can of course be impeached.

But judging by this piece of proposed legislation, Warren is well aware that it would be ridiculous to try to institute rules controlling adult members of a president or VP's family.

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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
9. That's what I thought; it's obviously not a priority for him
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:14 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
10. Which otherr candidates have an anti-corruption plan?
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:16 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
12. This is a thread about Warren's anti-corruption plan
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:24 PM
Oct 2019

Not her problem that she has made an issue that helped Trump get elected in 2016, is at the center of the current impeachment drama and will again dominate the political landscape in 2020 her number one priority while your candidate, among others, has whiffed on it.

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highplainsdem

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16. So you don't know of any others, but you single Biden out? LOL. Btw, Biden has proposed
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:46 PM
Oct 2019

ways to deal with some of the issues that helped Trump in 2016:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/27/foreign-dark-money-joe-biden-222690


Warren has trotted out lots and lots of plans.

IMO her plans basically amount to detailed campaign promises, very appealing to wonks, but the majority of them unfeasible.

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BeyondGeography

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17. Warren is a far superior messenger on fighting corruption
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:54 PM
Oct 2019

And that was before Hunter Biden’s $50k/mo insider capitalism gig became common knowledge. What’s become unfeasible for 2020 is to argue that Joe Biden is anywhere near our best messenger on fighting corruption and changing the way Washington works. I’m sure he supports HR1 and would say the right things, but he has not made fighting corruption a priority.

This is a big deal:

Cracking down on corruption is also a savvy political move; a poll of battleground House Districts by PAC End Citizens United shows House Democrats’ anti-corruption plan is politically popular, and not just among Democratic voters. The poll found an overwhelming number of independent voters — 75 percent — said cleaning up corruption was a very important issue, the most compared to any other issue polled.

The organization’s survey found that 75 percent of 2018 voters in battleground House districts said cracking down on Washington corruption was their top priority, followed by 71 percent who wanted to protect Social Security and Medicare, and 70 percent who listed growing the economy and jobs.

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/16/20867216/elizabeth-warren-anti-corruption-bill
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highplainsdem

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19. Whether or not you think she's a superior messenger, the fact remains that Biden's leading in
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:03 AM
Oct 2019

almost all the primary polls, some of which include Democratic-leaning independents, and he's also leading in almost all the general election polls of various candidates against Trum, beating Trump by wider margins than any other candidate.

So apparently voters find him to be the messenger they want and the president and leader they'd trust, as well as the Democratic candidate who would do best against Trump.

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Cha

(297,291 posts)
21. Yeah, that poster tries so predictably hard
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:25 AM
Oct 2019

to bring down Joe Biden.


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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. Going from "do other candidates have X" to "this is about Warren... leave the other candidates out o
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:20 AM
Oct 2019

Going from "do other candidates have X like Warren" to "this is about Warren... leave the other candidates out of it" in two posts.

That may be a new Moving-The-Goalposts record!

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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
30. A positive OP about Warren's anti-corruption plan is obviously upsetting certain Biden supporters
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:22 AM
Oct 2019

Good to see you here.

Have you thought about starting your own positive thread about Joe Biden’s plans to fight corruption?

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Cha

(297,291 posts)
20. Oh really.. lol@trying to smear Biden
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:20 AM
Oct 2019

with "..it's not a priority for him..".

Not Working, BG.

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Lexblues

(180 posts)
11. Biden has the same anti-corruption plan Obama did
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:23 PM
Oct 2019

Obama went 8 years without a whiff of a scandal or hint of corruption. He never had to hire any personal lawyers either.

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BeyondGeography

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13. I see, same as Barack's
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:25 PM
Oct 2019

Can you post it as the OP has Warren’s so we can compare?

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Lexblues

(180 posts)
14. Don't hire loyalists, criminals and thugs to run govt operations
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:30 PM
Oct 2019

How about that? Hire upstanding, ethical employees and you don't have to deal with corruption. Biden was the VP in the most ethical administration in the history of this country. I have no qualms about him running an ethical government. He already knows how that works.

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Cha

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22. Mahalo, Lexblues!
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:26 AM
Oct 2019
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procon

(15,805 posts)
2. I really like her proposal.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:08 PM
Oct 2019

Long overdue and badly needed, it needs big teeth to ensure compliance.

Trump has made it necessary for all kinds of new laws because of his lack of ethics and morals.

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Undecided
 

George II

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3. Is that a typo or did this happen 14 months ago?
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:27 PM
Oct 2019
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highplainsdem

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4. Not a typo. August 2018 according to the PDF of the bill on Warren's Senate site.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:38 PM
Oct 2019
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emmaverybo

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5. Good that she is committed to her own well thought-out and important bill. Now she needs to
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:49 PM
Oct 2019

stand up and be counted against Trump’s all-out assault on the 202O election through an attack on
Joe Biden. If all goes according to her wishes, she will be next. And we know Joe would be among
those who would defend her—by name.

No, don’t give me the anti-corruption fighter excuse. There is no excuse.

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blm

(113,064 posts)
15. You can't control yourself on any Warren thread. Self restraint
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:34 PM
Oct 2019

Is a virtue.

I can’t think of any Warren supporters here who would show up on thread after thread demanding that other candidates defend her when she is perfectly capable of defending herself, as she has had to do plenty of times in the past.

Don’t you feel Biden is doing a good job of defending himself? I do. And said that I disagree with the NYT article that took the opposite view. Perhaps you don’t have confidence in Biden to handle this. I do.

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highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
23. That "You can't control yourself" line is a personal attack.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:27 AM
Oct 2019

And as for whether our candidates should defend one another when one comes under attack by Trump -- that's something that was brought up on CNN and answered properly by Cory Booker.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287301637

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Cha

(297,291 posts)
25. Also.. the ".. self-restaint is a virture.. " wow.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:56 AM
Oct 2019

I'm standing up for emmaverybo..

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emmaverybo

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26. Much appreciated, Cha. You are a standup person!
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:19 AM
Oct 2019
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Cha

(297,291 posts)
24. Wow.. that's insulting and condescending to emmaverybo..
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 AM
Oct 2019

and says nothing about her.

Like Senator Corey Booker said..

An attack on one is an attack on all

Exactly the point we've been making and some refuse to acknowledge it because their candidates won't do it.

It could come back to bite them if they should happen to think they're helping themselves. They're only helping trump erase Democracy.


Trump was attempting to employ covert propaganda against the American public

Let that sink in!
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blm

(113,064 posts)
27. Not true. Warren attacked Trump for what he did to Biden. You
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:10 AM
Oct 2019

don’t feel it is enough. None of your friends here think it is enough. Your friends jump into every Warren thread to attack her and demand that Warren defend Biden the way YOU want to hear him defended.

But, of course, I’m the one who’s being nasty. You don’t see me hopping onto every Biden thread and posting against him. I wouldn’t do that out of respect for him and for his supporters.

What angers your friends is when I answer their attacks on Warren. They want to hop on my positive threads about my primary candidate and attack her without pushback.

Good luck with that.

I will continue to support Warren, and I’ll continue to support Biden and our other candidates in their campaigns without attacking them needlessly.

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highplainsdem

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31. Exactly right, Cha!
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:15 PM
Oct 2019
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