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Donkees

(31,418 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 06:19 AM Oct 2019

Bernie Sanders has a new campaign finance reform plan ...




The full campaign finance reform plan, which is being rolled out less than a week after Sanders announced his massive third quarter fundraising haul of $25.3 million dollars that surpassed the rest of the field, centers around the idea that corporate money and influence only adds corruption to the political system. In the news of their fundraising haul, the campaign also released that their average donation during the third quarter was $18.07, and the individuals who donated the most to the campaign listed their occupation as "teachers." Sanders enters the 4th quarter of 2019 with $33.7 million cash on hand a figure that will likely be the most of any Democratic candidate.

Looking to replicate his success with small dollar donations through this five-pronged plan, Sanders is calling to aggressively reform national party conventions, presidential inaugurations, public elections, presidential primary debates, and Congress, specifically targeting how the Democratic party raises money and how corporations and lobbyists influence individual campaigns.

In addition to ending corporate contributions to the Democratic Party Convention, Sanders is also calling for the end of corporate donations to the Democratic National Committee, and inaugural events and capping all individual donations to inaugurations to $500.

Sanders also wants to make federal elections publicly funded, abolish the Federal Election Commission and replace it with a Federal Election Administration with its own governing body. He also is calling for a Constitutional amendment designed to overturn Supreme Court cases like the Citizens United decision, and pass legislation to end super PACs. Sanders would also install a Universal Small Dollar Voucher system which would "give any voting-age American the ability to "donate" to federal candidates."

Finally, the plan calls for a ban on advertising during presidential primary debates, and institute a lifelong lobbying ban for former members of Congress.
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Bernie Sanders has a new campaign finance reform plan ... (Original Post) Donkees Oct 2019 OP
New this morning, a campaign finance reform plan. Details here: Donkees Oct 2019 #1
He just held a private fundraiser where the tickets went up to $2,800. betsuni Oct 2019 #2
Since the GOP would never adopt a plan rejecting corporate funding for the conventions TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #3
+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #4
First of all, up to $2800 doesn't mean shit when the minimum is $27 dollars Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #17
Why did he keep the site of the $2800 fundraiser (which he claims he doesn't hold!) secret? George II Oct 2019 #20
And Obama won the nomination AND the presidential election twice. George II Oct 2019 #18
He hold events with multi millionaires at very high end restaurants. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #5
Secret fundraisers, no one knows where they are until they contribute, "Location Provided Upon RSVP" George II Oct 2019 #7
Well, his donations are higher than anyone else's even while Hortensis Oct 2019 #6
I like your plan a lot better than Bernie's. comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #13
Funny how he is always at odds with the DNC or Democratic Party. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #8
And yet he continues to purloin planks of our 2016 Democratic Party Platform, presenting them.... George II Oct 2019 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #9
Just a wish list of things that won't get passed. I didn't read the whole thing but.... George II Oct 2019 #10
'Money is not speech. Corporations are not people. ' Donkees Oct 2019 #11
We agree on that. Neither are hostile nation states Hortensis Oct 2019 #14
Another attack by Bernie on the Democratic Party. Bernie wants to comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #12
Really.. if only he focused half as much on tRumpublicans Amimnoch Oct 2019 #16
So... republicans have their "king" now he wants to be ours?? Amimnoch Oct 2019 #15
 

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
1. New this morning, a campaign finance reform plan. Details here:
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 06:34 AM
Oct 2019
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betsuni

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2. He just held a private fundraiser where the tickets went up to $2,800.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:30 AM
Oct 2019

Justice Democrats are a PAC. This is usual. In my opinion, making ordinary Americans fund political campaigns is sort of a tax. The idea that taking money from corporations makes one corrupt is absurd. Ballet companies, orchestras, athletes, scholarships, etc., take money from corporations. Corporate money doesn't have supernatural corrupting powers.

Barack Obama set a record for the amount of Wall Street donations when he ran for president. President Obama wasn't corrupted by donations. Republicans are corrupt.

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TexasTowelie

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3. Since the GOP would never adopt a plan rejecting corporate funding for the conventions
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:57 AM
Oct 2019

it leaves the Democrats at a disadvantage having to raise extra money to support a convention rather spending it on the actual nominee, GOTV drives, and other campaign activities, I view it as conceding to our GOP rivals without any offsetting benefits being negotiated. I view the proposal as a poker player betting all of his chips without looking at what cards that were dealt.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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17. First of all, up to $2800 doesn't mean shit when the minimum is $27 dollars
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:03 PM
Oct 2019


Second of all, to compare to corporations donating to a ballet company is beyond absurd. Unless they demand the “Don’t Regulate Comcast Ballet” (which wouldn’t surprise me)
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George II

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20. Why did he keep the site of the $2800 fundraiser (which he claims he doesn't hold!) secret?
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:59 PM
Oct 2019
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George II

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18. And Obama won the nomination AND the presidential election twice.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:55 PM
Oct 2019
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TidalWave46

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5. He hold events with multi millionaires at very high end restaurants.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:37 AM
Oct 2019

His top staff is a who's who of people who were running PAC's with Sanders being the main focus. A group of people who never met dark money they didn't like. People from the Sanders Foundation with extremely limited financial accountability.

Guy is starting to seem like a plant trying to do little more than tie Democrats hands behind their back while he makes bank.

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George II

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7. Secret fundraisers, no one knows where they are until they contribute, "Location Provided Upon RSVP"
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:13 AM
Oct 2019
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Hortensis

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6. Well, his donations are higher than anyone else's even while
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:12 AM
Oct 2019

his percentage of electoral support has declined significantly in polls, so if it's his magic he's sharing, kind of a Sanders version of the RW Laffer curve alchemy where less creates more, let's see what he's doing.



But of course his plan unnecessarily puts him at "direct odds" with our party by targeting our 2020 Democratic convention. We've all been waiting for him to reveal his intentions. Anyone surprised that this one is parading as reform that actually ignores our party's own campaign finance reform plans -- which will require us to win a huge battle against the Republicans to pass, and instead has Sanders crusading against our party? I notice Sanders does not mention Warren's very strong reform plan waiting in the senate for 2020.

What will Sanders' message be to his gullible zealots this time? Will we still be so corrupt that the same 24% as last time refuses to vote Democrat? (Actually, researchers say they're already promising to.) Will they protest US in outrage, instead of the intensely corrupt white man's party? Will half of those again vote for Trump as the better choice?

Here's a better plan: Sanders doesn't get 300 delegates to the convention, so his name isn't put into nomination, and so he doesn't get big media attention. And his protesters gather outside in the streets along with Republicans protesters.

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comradebillyboy

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13. I like your plan a lot better than Bernie's.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019
Here's a better plan: Sanders doesn't get 300 delegates to the convention, so his name isn't put into nomination, and so he doesn't get big media attention. And his protesters gather outside in the streets along with Republicans protesters.

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MrsCoffee

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8. Funny how he is always at odds with the DNC or Democratic Party.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:15 AM
Oct 2019

Not that it matters now. Anything coming from what’s left of his campaign is just noise. He has zero chance of becoming our nominee. The entire conversation would be about his health 24/7.

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George II

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19. And yet he continues to purloin planks of our 2016 Democratic Party Platform, presenting them....
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:57 PM
Oct 2019

....as though they're new and HIS idea, and people believe that.

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Uncle Joe

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9. Kicked and recommended.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:24 AM
Oct 2019

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

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George II

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10. Just a wish list of things that won't get passed. I didn't read the whole thing but....
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:31 AM
Oct 2019

Is there anything in his proposal that would do away with "unitemized" contributions, i.e., no disclosure of who contributed, where they reside, how much they gave?

Through June 2019, here are his numbers:

Total individual contributions $36,209,080.47
Itemized individual contributions $8,547,727.00
Unitemized individual contributions $27,661,353.00

76%, more than $27 million, are "unitemized".

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Donkees

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11. 'Money is not speech. Corporations are not people. '
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019
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Hortensis

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14. We agree on that. Neither are hostile nation states
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:16 PM
Oct 2019

waging war on us through our elections.

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comradebillyboy

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12. Another attack by Bernie on the Democratic Party. Bernie wants to
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:55 AM
Oct 2019

burn the Democratic Party to the ground and replace it with what? He shouldn't try to dictate to a party he refuses to join.

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Amimnoch

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16. Really.. if only he focused half as much on tRumpublicans
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 PM
Oct 2019

As he does on his own “allies”. No wonder the Russian troll machine likes to leave him alone as well as the Cheeto.

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Amimnoch

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15. So... republicans have their "king" now he wants to be ours??
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:47 PM
Oct 2019

So, the “independent”, who only wears our title when it’s beneficial... and even then barely.. thinks he gets to be “king” of our whole party and unilaterally decide DNC convention and financing should he secure the nomination??

God, if the alternative wasn’t so repulsive, I’d have to question my own affiliation if he becomes our “king”..

FTLOG, ANY of our candidates but BS.

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