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bluewater

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Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:56 AM Oct 2019

Elizabeth Warren Aims To Build Appeal In Republican Strongholds

The Massachusetts senator has proven she’s popular in Democratic strongholds, perhaps most memorably when she filled New York’s Washington Square Park last month. But as she’s rising in the polls and sitting on a fresh pile of campaign cash, Warren is also frequently hitting places where she might be less welcome. That includes Nevada’s capital, a conservative area with a proud cowboy streak that’s a seven-hour drive from the glitz of Democrat-friendly Las Vegas.

These trips test whether the progressive message that has fueled Warren’s rise can resonate in all regions. It’s an important hurdle for Warren to clear to prove that, if she were to become the Democratic nominee, she could win back voters in areas that sided with President Donald Trump in 2016.

Her trip last week to Carson City gave reason for optimism. Warren drew more than 1,000 people on a Wednesday night. And some of the loudest applause followed Warren’s most progressive pronouncements, especially when she declared: “I don’t want a government that works for giant multinational corporations.”

“It’s easy to think everything here is Reno,” said Jonathan Byrnside, a 38-year-old federal employee who came to see Warren from nearby Silver City. He was referring to the better-known locale famous for casinos — and, in a bygone era, lenient divorce laws — about 25 miles away, where Warren’s airport run-in occurred. “But there are a lot of people with progressive values who live in rural areas.”

It was Warren’s third visit to northern Nevada and she’s not the only Democratic presidential hopeful venturing into Republican areas. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont came a few weeks ago, while former Vice President Joe Biden visited Reno the same night Warren was in Carson City. California Sen. Kamala Harris was on the campus of the University of Nevada at Reno the following day.

Still, Warren’s crowd was larger than any of the others. The complex’s floor was so full that some attendees dragged metal benches to climb atop for a glimpse of the distant stage.

“This is huge for Carson City,” said 74-year-old Jim Woods, a retired construction engineer. Added his wife, Dianne: “This is red territory. It doesn’t look it now.”


https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/10/07/elizabeth-warren-republicans-democratic-primary-nevada/
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Hoyt

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2. I'm sure she'll be pushing her "Economic Patriotism" ideology that includes
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:09 PM
Oct 2019

tariffs, and elements of Nationalism, America First, criticism of Obama trade policies, and treating poor foreign workers like scabs. We’ve been here before.

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KPN

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4. Is she doing that now?
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:13 PM
Oct 2019

Sounds kind of jaded. I do think she will support fair trade deals that serve to provide some level of protection for domestic labor as well as the environment globally. Are you opposed to such?

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Hoyt

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5. Yes, she is. I'm opposed to treating poor foreign workers like scabs, and
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:17 PM
Oct 2019

taking a stance on trade that helped give us the current Prez.

Since you asked.

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KPN

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6. Re: treating foreign workers, how so? Link/sources?
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:23 PM
Oct 2019

Re: her stance on trade helped give us tRump -- ridiculous! She's not why tRump was elected.

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Hoyt

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7. So she didn't criticize Obama for TPP and fabricate the meme that
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:43 PM
Oct 2019

it wouldn’t be released to public until years later?

She and Sanders didn’t use foreign workers as a wedge. While she and Sanders weren’t aren’t as hateful, the results were the same. And, yes, her criticism of Obama, and by association Clinton, did help give us the current Prez.

Decades ago unions used the same justification to keep Blacks and Hispanics from getting the better jobs because they would work for less. Now, foreign workers are the scabs.

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LanternWaste

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8. Cool. Unable to support your own premise with objective evidence
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:22 PM
Oct 2019

And default back to bumper stickers and t-shirt slogans.

Hope the graphics are good, 'cause the back of the t-shirt needs it.

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Hoyt

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11. No bumper sticker, just not populist America First xenophobia.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

America trading among ourselves in a global world is a ticket to recession and war.

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KPN

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9. She criticized the TPP rightly. She did criticize
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 02:04 PM
Oct 2019

the lack of transparency surrounding it as well — also rightly. Obama presided over its development, so of course he bore some of that criticism. Many Democrats and all of labor criticized the TPP including how and by whom it was developed, it’s lack of transparency and it’s impact on labor and domestic regulation. The mainstream media stayed completely silent on it throughout its development. One thing Warren never did was outright attack free trade per se. Her position was do free trade agreements that are sensible from the standpoint of domestic impacts. I don’t know why any Democrat would argue against or criticize that position. Especially given the 40 year economic policy trend leading up to TPP.

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Hoyt

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10. It was plenty transparent, including release of the agreement long before it was scheduled
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

to be debated.

Warren had, and probably still does have, a fundamental misunderstanding of 2500 trade agreements approved here, in Europe and elsewhere since 1959.

She and Sanders took pretty much the same America First, the hell with the rest of the world, approach as our current Prez in their populist campaign rhetoric.

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KPN

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12. That's your perspective. It wasn't transparent until it had been drafted
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 03:59 PM
Oct 2019

by the parties at the table — and it was an exclusive set. The draft was the proposal — just like a draft plan of any type is the proposal of those who prepared it. The MSM was silent on it — so most were not aware of what the terms, meaning and effect of the draft let alone its existence.

Frankly, it’s offensive that you conflate legitimate, informed concern about the labor, wage and socio-economic sustainability issues associated with TPP/free trade agreements with support for or a reason trump was elected. It’s strikes me as arrogant and righteous.

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Hoyt

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13. Talking about offensive, howsabout treating foreign poor workers like scabs? That's just what
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:19 PM
Oct 2019

America First and "Economic Patriotism" is.

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