Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhere Will Bernie Sanders' Polling Numbers Go?
It seems to me that a number of people are going to change their favorite primary candidate from Sanders to someone else, following his heart attack. I expect to see his polling numbers drop over the next couple of weeks. But, where will those people go from Bernie? That's not so clear.
It will be interesting to see how the polling changes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Bernie is going to keep most of the folks for him.
The ones he does lose will spread out, some to Biden, some to Warren, some to others, but it's not like he's going to drop into single digits nationwide anytime soon.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We don't know how people will react, frankly. People who are being polled are generally not active campaigners or supporters. They are just average people stating a preference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and that's a number that I strongly suspect will remain in the low double digits.
When he was in the mid 20s, sure, about half of that was just folks voting on name recognition.
The other half was his core, and I don't think he loses that core.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)is useless. We're not talking about full-on supporters of a candidate - just people saying they'd vote for a particular person. There is an enormous difference.
Polling companies are not, for example, choosing people to be polled from Democratic Underground. That would be a useless poll in terms of predicting how the primary elections will go. We have our own poll here, where people choose who they would vote for. It doesn't really resemble the polls being reported on very much.
So, yes, active supporters of Bernie Sanders might not change their preference, but they're not the ones being polled, either.
In any case, we'll have some actually polling to look at soon. Already, Sanders is dropping in most polls, with Warren and Biden apparently each getting some of those preferences.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)people being polled are representative of cohorts like age, race, likelihood to vote, gender...not about whether or not they are "full-on supporters of a candidate."
Mostly, they are the people a polling company could get to answer a phone and answer a polling question (which tends to self-select for people who are politically active to at least some extent).
The polling companies are not somehow screening out active supporters of a candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They don't have to. There just aren't that many of those out there. A random sampling is unlikely to include many active supporters of a particular candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)it's a non-random sampling that is then statistically tweaked to moderately accurately reflect registered or likely voters particularly by demographics and past voting practices.
The sample in fact to some extent self selects by those willing to answer the phone and take a poll and those who are not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)This last heart incident will not be kind to Sen. Sanders' poll numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,594 posts)The heart attack report might shift the curve
https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)those who weren't strong supporters but the base will remain.
No one but Bernie fans are arguing he's going to win, I'm certainly not.
I'm simply arguing he's not going to drop off the fact of the Earth in polls or in voter support.
He'll still retain some sort of base. I suspect low double digits, but I suppose high single digits is possible.
But he's not dropping down to Booker/Beto/Klobachur territory.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Polybius
(15,428 posts)They are exact opposites on a plethora of issues. They will likely go to Warren, Castro, or Yang.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)they vote on feel, or familiarity, or name recognition or I just like X.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)last several months - so, it appears as if they are drawing from the same pool...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'm talking about what people being polled will say, either way. We'll be seeing what happens shortly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)they will go to a variety of voters. Plenty of evidence that some will go to Warren, but also some will go to Biden, and some will go to Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)If he seems like his old self in the next debate - strong in mind and sound in body- those numbers will rebound ...If not, those numbers will continue to decline
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)like I've said, I don't think he's dropping to the bottom really ever, but I also don't think he will rebound much.
Sanders and yes my candidate Harris have had plenty of time to move up and haven't...don't think it's happening for either of them this time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,831 posts)If Bernie looks well and gives a decent performance at the debate, he'll retain his position with his supporters. On the other hand, if he exhibits any loss of stamina, the drip of walkways will most likely turn into a gush.
Think it will pivot on the debate performance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Sen. Sanders had a tough time in the last debate. If he looks better this time, it will shore up his support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)See the trendline over the last week for yourself at RCP POLLS:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
The Average of the major polls is what the Average of the major polls is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)to decline. Bernie is no longer a contender.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)There's a lag in polling between such information and changes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Bernie dropped off ~4% in the polling average since that hit the news.
But who knows, time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)the ropes before the cardiac event and health problems don't improve anyone's electability.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)It's a natural fit
She is winning the DU vote in a landslide, next, the country! lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)I see that trend continuing
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lib 4 Life
(97 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided