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Related: About this forumSanders heart attack casts cloud over his candidacy
(The article was co-written by this DU poster's daughter)
[link:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/07/bernie-sanders-heart-attack-election-038419|
By HOLLY OTTERBEIN and DAVID SIDERS
10/07/2019 07:47 PM EDT
Updated: 10/07/2019 09:05 PM EDT
Bernie Sanders has been sidelined for nearly a week after failing for almost three days to disclose that he had a heart attack. It's unclear when the 78-year-old senator will return to the stump. His campaign has yet to divulge the severity of his heart attack.
And that sequence of events unfolded as he's been eclipsed in the polls by the other progressive icon in the race, Elizabeth Warren.
Now Sanders and his campaign are laboring to contain the cloud of uncertainty that's formed over his candidacy. According to interviews with Sanders aides and surrogates, theyre betting that his performance at next week's debate and on the campaign trail will show he still has the stamina to run for and serve as president.
Sanders' staffers also plan to emphasize how his health scare demonstrates the need for Medicare for All.
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more at link
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Your daughters piece attracts more Bernie haters than supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)not a major health problem is foolish.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,164 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I agree completely and in my opinion he hasnt looked well in recent months. Keeping the schedule necessary to campaign would be tough on the healthiest and youngest of candidates. He just cant pretend that this isnt serious.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)Thanks for posting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Little wavy guy back! (too old to use those smileys right, so I hope my words work as well!)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Their own poll released tonight shows no slippage in support for Bernie in the last week .Politico wants Bernie out of the race ...I wish they would be honest about it .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)It will be a good thing when he drops out. His divisive tactics are not good for the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)From everything I have read, she is 100% Sanders. I have read what Joe shares of his daughters posts and for the most part I 100% disagree with Holly. When I do I just move along and do not comment. I am not a Sanders person and frankly I appreciate her candid comments here. She is being honest. If you read the whole article you would see Briahna Joy Gray, Bernie Sanders national press secretary comments:
Fact is, when you run for the office of President of the United States...there are no three days of privacy only transparency.
That is my take.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Please don't get me wrong, they were often just more lighthearted pieces and she often came at her story from a different angle than others. More like opinion pieces dashed with a bit of journalism. A lot of them were really good reads.
Overall she seems to be a "fan" of Sanders. Her piece on the old videos of Sanders was pretty good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)judgement, not to mention selfishness. Recovery takes time, even for someone half his age.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)I had a stent inserted into a coronary artery earlier this year. I'm in very good health otherwise and I'm 20 years younger than Senator Sanders. My doctors restricted my activities for a month before I was allowed to resume light exercise.
Resuming a stressful presidential campaign following a heart attack seems risky. It also demonstrates poor judgment.
Any doctors out there who can provide more insight?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...he'll be fine...
...he had a mild heart attack with 2 stents...
...I had much worse than that 14 years ago and I feel great today...(and I'm close to Bernie's age)
...I ride my bike 15 miles a day and I do whatever I want...if Bernie has to quit, then okay...
...but if he comes back to the trail swinging, he and we will be fine...
...25 million in small contributions is love and love will set you free...
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)I was back to my normal level of activity (actually - a much higher level, since I wasn't getting out of breath anymore) within a week and haven't slowed down any since. Had the heart attack late on a Thursday night, they did the angiogram on Saturday, and had to stay in the hospital an extra couple of days because one of the blockages needed a special stent that wouldn't be available until Monday. Had the two stents put in on Monday, walked out of the hospital on Tuesday morning, and did my normal Thursday afternoon volunteer gig where I am on my feet for 4 hours two days later. Had more energy than I had for the prior several weeks.
Did 6 weeks of cardiac rehab about a month and a half later. Class could have run anywhere from 6 to 12 weeks (twice a week), and I was doing well enough that the nurses and therapists felt the 6 was fine. At the followup with the cardiologist at the 3 month mark he told me we should just go head skip the next one (which would normally be 6 months later) and just come back in a year for a checkup.
Have had zero symptoms of any problems (but always have the little bottle of nitroglycerin in my pocket - just in case.)
Bernie has always been active and should come through this fine.
(Today I changed my primary preference from Undecided to Sanders. If he does decide to drop out I'll probably switch it to Buttigieg.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...to hear you're feeling good and are back to normal activities...
...I think a mild heart attack today is more of a warning than a death sentence...
...hang in there...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)After your "much worse than that," how long was it before you took a fifteen mile bike ride, and how old were you at that time?
Campaign contributions do not set one free from a heart attack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Hes done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Optical.Catalyst
(1,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)but par for the course here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Sanders health issue is going to do collateral damage to Bidens and possibly Warrens campaign as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Sorry, I know it sucks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...comes back swinging and kicking ass as hard as ever, then what's the problem?
...I'd say, running for President is more physically challenging and more physically demanding than being President...
...kicking ass and going toe to toe with his fellow candidates will prove Bernie's fitness to be President...
...or not...
...let's wait and see...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Only in that bubble is an almost eighty year old man who just had a heart attack a viable candidate for the presidency.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...I think most voters will keep an open mind and judge Bernie by his performance and ability...
...the proof will be in the pudding...
...and who in the top tier running for President (including trump) isn't near 80?
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Warren just turned 70. Harris, Buttigieg, ORourke on down the line, not even close.
Age is definitely a factor for Joe and Elizabeth. But neither show their age like Bernie and women have longer lifespans.
But, yeah, proof will be in the pudding as you say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and a heart attack is a grave problem for Sanders. (And turns spotlights on Biden's and Warren's ages also.)
Stopbush may have overstated a bit. As in 2016, Sanders was "done" as far as the nomination went before he announced; it just took time to work through because of heavy Republican, Russian and RW MSM support.
But this heart attack won't kill his candidacy itself, and money will keep it alive. Even as the numbers of his supporters drop, big money arriving through social media fundraising is coming in. So he'll be able to be his wired-in oppositional self right up to the convention. And it's very possible that all that money pouring in will at least secure him the base 300 delegates he needs to put his name into nomination, though most of us do certainly hope it fails to do its job.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,216 posts)While I understand the difficulty he would have in stepping aside, he needs to ask himself what is more important, is it about him or his goals
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)The denial is thick amongst his supporters but his campaign is over. We arent electing an 80 year old man who just had a heart attack president. Harsh reality.
Wishing him a speedy recovery and hope he gets to spends some quality time with family.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Is horrible strategy. Par for the course as he has been making poor campaign decision after bad campaign decision. He has surrounded himself with an incompetent staff.
He cant hide his age on TV. He has the image of being a grumpy old man. He might be able to try and change the first part of that descriptor but the old man part will only be enhanced after his heart attack. Nothing about Sanders looks young and vital in hi def.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)It's an insightful article with a bit of an acerbic take on the Senator's campaign.
But there is one quote that is so stupid, I had to comment about it.
There are several ridiculous observations in Mr. Ramirez's quote. First, if it had been announced that the Senator had had a heart attack, people would absolutely care! It's utter nonsense to think that "everything's good" if only they had been forthcoming right after he was admitted to the hospital. Just as is happening now, the campaign would have been swamped with questions about the Senator's age and health as well as the future of the campaign. To think otherwise is naive.
Second, Mr. Ramirez begins his quote with a tired and inaccurate cliche. The analogy doesn't follow because there was no "crime" in that there was no requirement to disclose a health concern that was probably very confusing in its earliest hours. Additionally, there hasn't been a cover-up of any kind. Once all of the medical information was clear and consistent, it appears that the Senator's campaign released the facts of his health. Mr. Ramirez's use of the cliche demonstrates a lazy mind.
Lastly, Mr. Ramirez's quote sounds suspiciously like a thinly veiled political attack masquerading as a "concerned" comment. It's sleazy when Democrats smear one another. I hope our party can do better than this in the future.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)how this will not be a drag on his campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,105 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Link to tweet
Its one of those things where the cover-up is worse than the crime, said Andres Ramirez, a Nevada-based Democratic strategist and former vice chairman of the Democratic National Committees Hispanic Caucus. I dont think anybody would have cared if they said he had a heart attack, got out a few days later, and then everythings good.
Instead, he said, There seemed to be a refusal or hesitance to say, Bernie Sanders had a heart attack. I think its less of an issue about his age and more of an issue of, Hey, Bernie, youre supposed to be the transparent candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)However, if it improves his debate performance (he was terrible in the last debate), it might stop thew slide.
But I think he's done anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden