Democratic Primaries

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts) Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:35 AM Oct 2019

Good!

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Sen. Bernie Sanders's 2020 presidential campaign late Monday enthusiastically welcomed lobbyist backlash over the senator's new proposal to dramatically curb the power of corporate money in politics and bar the Democratic National Committee from taking cash from big business.

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The Sanders campaign—which proudly touts a list of "anti-endorsements" on its website—was unmoved by the lobbyists' criticism. In fact, as deputy campaign manager Ari Rabin-Havt put it, lobbyist outrage over the proposal "is not a bug—it's a feature."

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In a statement to The Hill, Sanders national policy director Josh Orton pointed to the senator's grassroots fundraising model—which brought the campaign $25.3 million from an average donation of just $18 in the third quarter of 2019—and said "corporate lobbyists will never buy influence with Bernie, period."

"Bernie Sanders is building an unprecedented grassroots campaign to end corruption," said Orton, "and as a nominee would host a grassroots conventions for delegates, party members, teachers, workers, nurses, farmers, and students."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/08/good-says-sanders-lobbyists-lash-out-proposal-end-corporate-domination-us-politics

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Good! (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP

Lobbyists aren't the only ones that are not happy. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #1

iF tHe RePuBlIcAnS dO iT sO sHoUlD wE! HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #3

There are plenty of people that disagree with Bernie and see his statements as another attack on the TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #5

The victim complex is real. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #6

Your comment is insulting. nt TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #7

Your justification of corrupt money in politics is inexcusable. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #8

Ah, another slanderous scapegoating comment. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #14

Yeesh HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #16

And accusing every company that uses lobbyists as being corrupt is also terribly misguided. nt TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #18

I didn't... HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #19

I see that and the following one that way, too. George II Oct 2019 #13

Good to see you, George! HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #17

I'm sure you are! George II Oct 2019 #22

This is like disarming oneself just before a major war. nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #2

I'm not a lobbyist... TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #20

I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention Gothmog Oct 2019 #9

Maybe this: George II Oct 2019 #11

Maybe the same way he's out fundraising everyone in the primary? HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #12

What does this even mean? George II Oct 2019 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #21

One of the Top Reasons I Love Liz and Bernie DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #15

TexasTowelie

(112,221 posts)

1. Lobbyists aren't the only ones that are not happy.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:17 PM

Oct 2019

I don't see why the Democrats should handicap themselves when we know that the Republicans will refuse to do the same thing. I see nothing gained by this proposal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

3. iF tHe RePuBlIcAnS dO iT sO sHoUlD wE!

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:21 PM

Oct 2019

Fight corruption with corruption, that'll get 'em.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TexasTowelie

(112,221 posts)

5. There are plenty of people that disagree with Bernie and see his statements as another attack on the

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:42 PM

Oct 2019

Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

6. The victim complex is real.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:58 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TexasTowelie

(112,221 posts)

7. Your comment is insulting. nt

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:29 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

8. Your justification of corrupt money in politics is inexcusable.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:13 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TexasTowelie

(112,221 posts)

14. Ah, another slanderous scapegoating comment.

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:37 PM

Oct 2019

1) I have not justified that corrupt money should be involved in politics so your premise is ridiculous.

2) What corruption? It is not against the law for a company to hire lobbyists and unless you can prove that these lobbyists are paying bribes, then your comment is also ridiculous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

16. Yeesh

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:44 PM

Oct 2019

"I don't see why the Democrats should handicap themselves when we know that the Republicans will refuse to do the same thing. I see nothing gained by this proposal."

That is a justification...

As for corruption, lobbyists, by definition, are known to exert influence on politicians by whatever means are at their disposal. Historically, that has involved money though campaign contributions, cushy jobs after the politician is out of office, or (many years ago) outright bribes. Are all lobbyists bad people? No. There are many good political groups out there that use lobbying to get legislation passed, but to think that all lobbying is okay because of a few good eggs is terribly misguided.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TexasTowelie

(112,221 posts)

18. And accusing every company that uses lobbyists as being corrupt is also terribly misguided. nt

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:55 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

19. I didn't...

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:00 PM

Oct 2019

From my last response:

"Are all lobbyists bad people? No. There are many good political groups out there that use lobbying to get legislation passed, but..."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

13. I see that and the following one that way, too.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:30 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

17. Good to see you, George!

Reply to George II (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:45 PM

Oct 2019

Thanks for your input!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

22. I'm sure you are!

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:06 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BlueMississippi

(776 posts)

2. This is like disarming oneself just before a major war. nt

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:20 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)

4. I'm not a lobbyist...

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 PM

Oct 2019

And think this is absolutely stupid of Sanders to promote. I’m assuming he isn’t currently clear headed. He has been through a lot. If he is thinking clearly he just highlighted a proposal that will give aid and comfort to the Republican Party.

Then again, I use and appreciate a lot of lobbyists. They are an absolute requirement in a representative republic. To think otherwise is ignorant.

Thankfully Sanders has no shot at the WH.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden