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Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren's critics forgot: Pregnancy lasts for nine months
Warren skeptics say she lied about pregnancy discrimination. The timeline, and human biology, say otherwisehttps://www.salon.com/2019/10/08/elizabeth-warrens-critics-forgot-pregnancy-is-9-months-long/
Basic consciousness of that fact might have given pause to those who've spent the past week fanning a supposed scandal by suggesting Warren was lying about having lost a teaching job in 1971 because she was six months pregnant.
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Efforts to paint Warren as a liar began by pointing out that Warren has told this story in different ways in the past, sometimes highlighting her own choice to move on to law school without talking about pregnancy discrimination. Stories from the local paper in New Jersey reported that Warren was leaving her job "to raise a family" or had "resigned for personal reasons."
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But, as Vox journalist Emily Crockett pointed out on Twitter, it's "trivially easy" to reconcile these facts to Warren's story if one remembers that pregnancy is a nine-month process. Warren was rehired at 4 months, before she was showing. Two months later, when she would have been visibly pregnant, is when she says she was pressured to leave. It's certainly not uncommon for employers to ask someone to resign rather than to fire them outright, especially in matters such as this.
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Even though pregnancy discrimination was formally outlawed by the federal government in 1978 seven years after Warren says she was asked to leave her job research shows that it's still a persistent problem for women in the workplace. There are nearly 6,000 complaints a year filed with the EEOC regarding pregnancy discrimination. And "soft" forms of discrimination where women aren't outright fired, but pressured and harassed until they quit their jobs are likely far more widespread. [Emphasis mine] ...
Much more at the link.
And for those who want to keep considering this a "gotcha," BEWARE. You are really poking a bear here!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... a few days ago there was a post on DU (can't find it... I time out if I search anything but the subject), reporting that Warren enemies were pointing out that at one time she cited pregnancy as a reason for losing her job and at another time lack of certain requirements. Does anyone remember that? Can anyone clarify what's going on?
Note - not trying to attack Warren. See my preference below.
tia
las
edit: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287303161#post5 Ah! Here's the story that the OP's article doesn't seem to reference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)and the OP kept insisting that Elizabeth should "tweak" her story.
I am presuming good faith on that OP's part. But still, I was taken aback that anyone - especially any woman who has borne children and lived through that era - would think that this was a big deal.
Apparently, some have either no memories ... or too short a memory.
I am NOT one of them. And I do NOT believe that I am alone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,317 posts)I wish I could presume good faith, but the attacks don't just come from the right, and DU doesn't really have true moderation anymore.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)We shall overcome! We are supporting a great candidate!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Most of the teachers (particularly in the earlier grades) and support staff were women. Never saw a single one who was visibly pregnant.
The people who came at Warren on this, and it was from both sides, are going to regret it IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)eta: you probably never saw one who was visibly pregnant because many women don't show until much later in their pregnancies.
I remember being at my final check-up for my 2nd son - at nearly 9 mo pregnant - and the woman next to me, who was showing much more than I, was bemoaning the fact that she still had three months to go! When she asked and I told her that I was due the following week, she literally could not believe me.
The other reason is because some were fortunate enough to have timed the births to occur during the summer vacation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)of how this works, which is not very well at all! But I do remember wondering when the baby would start showing the first time around and being surprised both by how long it took and how quickly it grew post-baby bump.
Warrens four-month/six-month differential in terms of her interactions with school administrators makes sense to me IOW.
These reporters will go on to the next thing and leave a lot of pissed off Warren supporters in their wake. We wont forget the quality of their work when they come round next time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)may have made some undecided women take another good hard look at her!
The situation is so relatable ... and yes, even today ... just as the article notes in the highlighted para.
Ah, unintended consequences!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... that DU doesn't get swept up in ideological slanting of history. I don't disbelieve your report that none of your teachers was visibly pregnant. Maybe they just weren't or maybe they did get asked to leave. But my fifth grade teacher, in the fifties, taught until her baby was born.
NOTE This is NOT meant to debunk Warren's report of her experience. I'm sure it happened just like that all over the country. Just not all the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)ask them if they think everyone who has resigned form their jobs in the Trump administration did so voluntarily.
There's a term for this: "They got resigned."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden