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JoeOtterbein

(7,701 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:43 PM Oct 2019

New Frontrunner: Elizabeth Warren Leads Joe Biden For First Time in RCP Polling Average

[link:https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/new-frontrunner-elizabeth-warren-leads-joe-biden-for-first-time-in-rcp-polling-average/|

By Charlie Nash Oct 8th, 2019, 4:34 pm

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) has overtaken former Vice President Joe Biden for the first time in RealClearPolitics’ poll average.

Warren is currently sitting at 26.6 on the RCP Average poll, above Biden at 26.4.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) is in third place at 14.6, followed by Mayor of Southbend Pete Buttigieg at 5.6, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) at 4.4, and businessman Andrew Yang at 2.8.

RealClearPolitics’ RCP Average takes into consideration polls from Quinnipiac, POLITICO/Morning Consult, IBD/TIPP, The Economist/YouGov, and Monmouth.

Vox noted that, “Warren also appears to be the only candidate with a steady upward trend in the RealClearPolitics polling average.

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New Frontrunner: Elizabeth Warren Leads Joe Biden For First Time in RCP Polling Average (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 OP
BOOOOOOOOM!! Bernie & Elizabeth soon to be #1 & #2... the two Democrats Dolt 45 fears most!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #1
Ahem, BS was at 17.8% on October 1, now at 14.8%. In just a week he's lost 1/6 of his support. George II Oct 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #14
Sorry, Bernie's campaign is over. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #16
See the trend for yourself at RCP POLLS tracker of major polls! bluewater Oct 2019 #2
Amazing what Elizabeth's accomplished, runnin a flawless campaign. I tip my hat to her brilliance... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #5
She has run a largely textbook perfect campaign. Blue_true Oct 2019 #22
Trend through October 8, but still a long way to go: George II Oct 2019 #18
"The Surge" is just beginning, the more the people see of her, the more the excitement grows! Baclava Oct 2019 #35
Also RealClearPolitics... wellst0nev0ter Oct 2019 #3
That is significant. CentralMass Oct 2019 #4
I'd vote for her. Delarage Oct 2019 #7
I will have to vote for her in the GE. However, her only preparation for the presidency is in the emmaverybo Oct 2019 #10
Trends since October 1 (the day of the heart attack): George II Oct 2019 #8
RCP stopped counting Emerson (Bernie at 22%) ritapria Oct 2019 #17
K&R HeartlandProgressive Oct 2019 #9
They are co-frontrunners according to this aggregate. Admittedly, she has closed in, is very emmaverybo Oct 2019 #11
co-frontrunners is a reasonable label at the present time. bluewater Oct 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #13
That's pretty much where I'm at. blm Oct 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #31
the visuals Celerity Oct 2019 #15
It Does Paint a Picture DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #19
lost in the euphoria is this disturbing factoid, Warren's dropped 33% versus Rump in the Quinnipiac Celerity Oct 2019 #20
close to the margin of error though, isn't that? bluewater Oct 2019 #21
well, they will see that it is a drop from 12% to 8% if they simply read my post Celerity Oct 2019 #23
yes, the polls are what the polls are bluewater Oct 2019 #24
You are still undecided? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #25
This shows Trump's attempt to damage Biden is working. Is this really what we want? Doodley Oct 2019 #26
Yes, quite a few do. For them, the issue is not that Trump is using Biden and family to interfere emmaverybo Oct 2019 #29
Trump's attacks aren't working. blm Oct 2019 #30
Trump is doing better in head-to head matchups since the impeachment investigation began. That is Doodley Oct 2019 #28
Warning: RCP Selectively Chooses What Polls are Included in Their Tracker Average Indykatie Oct 2019 #32
I Can No Longer Attribute Credibility To RCP Me. Oct 2019 #33
Good. If EW is seen as "the frontrunner" the rightwing smear machine will leave Joe alone, and.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #34
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
1. BOOOOOOOOM!! Bernie & Elizabeth soon to be #1 & #2... the two Democrats Dolt 45 fears most!!
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:46 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
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George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Ahem, BS was at 17.8% on October 1, now at 14.8%. In just a week he's lost 1/6 of his support.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:58 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to George II (Reply #6)

 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
16. Sorry, Bernie's campaign is over.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:33 PM
Oct 2019

We are not electing an 80 year old man who just had a heart attack.

Warren's success is hers alone. Bernie has nothing to do with it.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
5. Amazing what Elizabeth's accomplished, runnin a flawless campaign. I tip my hat to her brilliance...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:58 PM
Oct 2019



Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. She has run a largely textbook perfect campaign.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:24 PM
Oct 2019

I like how she is fearlessly going into red country to meet democrats there.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Trend through October 8, but still a long way to go:
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:51 PM
Oct 2019

Draw a line down from the left of the "B" in "Bullock" to see where the averages were on October 1.

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Baclava

(12,047 posts)
35. "The Surge" is just beginning, the more the people see of her, the more the excitement grows!
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:40 AM
Oct 2019

She is not afraid to speak her mind, a fearsome force in the world of politics.

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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
3. Also RealClearPolitics...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:54 PM
Oct 2019
The company behind the non-partisan news site RealClearPolitics has been secretly running a Facebook page filled with far-right memes and Islamophobic smears, The Daily Beast has learned.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/realclear-media-has-a-secret-facebook-page-filled-with-far-right-memes
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Delarage

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7. I'd vote for her.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:01 PM
Oct 2019

Still a "Joe" guy, but she is clearly a well-prepared candidate. I'll vote for whoever has a "D" behind them 2020

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
10. I will have to vote for her in the GE. However, her only preparation for the presidency is in the
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:09 PM
Oct 2019

area of domestic economic policy. Given the utter mess Trump has made of foreign policy and relations, I would hope she could up her game there, though I’d feel much safer with Biden.

She was a very able legislator, has much to give based on wide knowledge of economics, but the presidency entails multiple leadership duties outside what she has carved out as her sphere.

I will have to listen to more of what she has to say about issues other than her economic proposals.


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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Trends since October 1 (the day of the heart attack):
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:02 PM
Oct 2019

Biden - 27.2 on October 1, 26.4, -0.2
Warren - 23.0 on October 1, 26.6, +3.6
Sanders - 17.8 on October 1, 14.8, -3.0

All the others +/- a tenth or two.

Warren's increase is almost all at the expense of Sanders.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
17. RCP stopped counting Emerson (Bernie at 22%)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:38 PM
Oct 2019

and are now counting IDB/Tipp (Bernie at 10%) in their average ….Quinnipiac and Morning Consult show no change in support for Bernie …. These averages are greatly weighed by which polls they include in their aggregate numbers at any given time …...

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. They are co-frontrunners according to this aggregate. Admittedly, she has closed in, is very
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:44 PM
Oct 2019

slightly ahead. She’s taking the voters from Sanders. Biden still does best in Trump match-ups. Her
rise over Sanders is the most significant news.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
12. co-frontrunners is a reasonable label at the present time.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:48 PM
Oct 2019

I am sure this will fluctuate some as different pollsters release results, the significant thing is the progress Warren has been making.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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blm

(113,062 posts)
27. That's pretty much where I'm at.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:25 PM
Oct 2019

I’m not getting overly excited whether she’s up or down. It still feels too early and I do happen to have positive views of most of our primary field.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Celerity

(43,383 posts)
15. the visuals
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019




HarrisX/Havard Harris (same firm) and Morning Consult are clear outliers at national level, with flawed methodology. HarrisX also has Rump at a 49% approval rate, higher than even the discredited Rasmussen Reports.

clear trends that show this to be the case

















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DrFunkenstein

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19. It Does Paint a Picture
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:59 PM
Oct 2019

I'm no statistician, but that trajectory is unmistakeable.

Also, notice that Trump's approval spread stands at -14 in the latest poll.

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Celerity

(43,383 posts)
20. lost in the euphoria is this disturbing factoid, Warren's dropped 33% versus Rump in the Quinnipiac
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:05 PM
Oct 2019

poll, versus the last one.

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bluewater

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21. close to the margin of error though, isn't that?
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:16 PM
Oct 2019

Its a 4 point drop. People might see that "33%" and not realize it's going from +12% to +8% over Trump.

I believe the margin of error is +/-3.1% for that part of the poll.

And the previous Q poll had a 4.6% moe, so comparing the differences from poll to poll is slightly messy.

So, is it statistically significant? Maybe. Maybe not.

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Celerity

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23. well, they will see that it is a drop from 12% to 8% if they simply read my post
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:32 PM
Oct 2019

As for MOE, yes, an 8 point lead is still outside the potential spread, but people cannot trumpet the headline number (Warren up over Biden) and then also try (NOT saying you are doing this at all btw) to downplay the exact same poll in it's other numbers. That is disingenuous at best, and is something I almost never see from Warren supporters.

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bluewater

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24. yes, the polls are what the polls are
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:44 PM
Oct 2019

I think I didn't explain myself well before... Here is the point I was trying to make:

This Q poll, Warren is +8 over Trump, +/- 3.1%.
That's a 95% confidence range of 4.9% to 11.1%

The previous Q poll, Warren was at 12% over Trump, +/-4.6%
That's a 95% confidence range of 7.4% to 16.6%

The two ranges do overlap significantly, hence I asked, is the difference of 4% from the previous poll statistically significant?

At this point we can't say which poll is the better predictor, but based on it's smaller moe, the most recent poll (Warren +8 over Trump) just might be a more accurate prediction.

In plain English, yeah, lets keep an eye on that, but don't we expect fluctuations like this considering the margins of error involved?

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Doodley

(9,092 posts)
26. This shows Trump's attempt to damage Biden is working. Is this really what we want?
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:20 PM
Oct 2019
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
29. Yes, quite a few do. For them, the issue is not that Trump is using Biden and family to interfere
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:33 PM
Oct 2019

with our election, but that their candidate can win the primary if Trump succeeds.

Once Trump picks off Biden to get the candidate he thinks more vulnerable in the GE to win the primary, he takes that untarnished one and unloads all the ammo he has saved up. He knows already that candidate’s weaknesses in the GE.

Yes. There are those dancing a jig that Trump could choose who he wants to run against because in
their eyes their candidate is so powerful, so lovable, s/he will win anywhere s/he needs to and conquer the Trump machine as no other mere mortal could.





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blm

(113,062 posts)
30. Trump's attacks aren't working.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:35 PM
Oct 2019

Most media and even some Republicans have been hammering Trump for his actions against Biden.

This poll trajectory started before the story broke.

I do think Biden has a resurgence in him. When the full story of Trump’s Ukraine plot against Biden becomes known, it may even spark the resurgence.

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Doodley

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28. Trump is doing better in head-to head matchups since the impeachment investigation began. That is
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:25 PM
Oct 2019

the scary story here. He has succeeded in damaging the front runner and all others in head-to-heads.

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Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
32. Warning: RCP Selectively Chooses What Polls are Included in Their Tracker Average
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:42 PM
Oct 2019

I noticed this when Hillary was running. There's no doubt Warren is rising but I don't believe she has taken the lead over Biden as indicated on the RCP website. I notice there is a recent Harris/Rass poll missing which had Biden +18 and another Biden + 14 not included in the average. They would never miss including a Rass poll for Trump.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
33. I Can No Longer Attribute Credibility To RCP
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:44 PM
Oct 2019

Are they playing games with the poll?

“RealClear Media Has a Secret Facebook Page to Push Far-Right Memes”

“The company behind the non-partisan news site RealClearPolitics has been secretly running a Facebook page filled with far-right memes and Islamophobic smears, The Daily Beast has learned.

Called “Conservative Country,” the Facebook page was founded in 2014 and now boasts nearly 800,000 followers for its mix of Donald Trump hagiography and ultra-conservative memes. One recent post showed a man training two assault rifles at a closed door with the caption “Just sitting here waiting on Beto.” Others wink at right-wing conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s “ties to Islam” or the Clintons having their enemies killed, or portray Muslim members of Congress as terrorist infiltrators. The page is effusive with praise for Vladimir Putin, and one post portrays Russia as the last bastion of freedom in Europe.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/realclear-media-has-a-secret-facebook-page-filled-with-far-right-memes

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Tarheel_Dem

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34. Good. If EW is seen as "the frontrunner" the rightwing smear machine will leave Joe alone, and....
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 01:08 AM
Oct 2019

can you guess who their new target will be? We know their attacks don't have to be true, but just an inkling of truth distorted out of all recognizable proportion to be picked up by the M$M. Just a note of warning to those popping the champagne corks.

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