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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:49 PM Oct 2019

Sanders says he'll slow down pace on campaign trail after heart attack

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday that he plans to slow down his pace on the presidential campaign trail after suffering a heart attack last week.

Sanders spoke to reporters outside his home in Burlington, Vt., after going to see his cardiologist, saying he plans to do fewer events in the near future.

"I certainly intend to be actively campaigning," he said. "I think we can change the nature of the campaign a bit, make sure that I have the strength to do what I have to do."



https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/464928-sanders-says-hell-slow-down-on-campaign-trail-after-heart-attack
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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
1. Doesn't get easier being president.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:51 PM
Oct 2019
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
2. Harris X Poll released Tonight
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:52 PM
Oct 2019

Biden 36% Warren 18% Bernie 15% What Country are they polling ?

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Celerity

(43,382 posts)
7. they are a flawed daily poll, very much an outlier as I have tried to show multiple times
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:23 PM
Oct 2019

They poll the same self-selected group (some of them rewarded for participation) daily and overweight for mods and cons.. The Morning Consult is another flawed (far too pro Biden) outlier, as is the too-pro Warren Change Research poll. HarrisX also has Rump at a 49% approval rate, higher than even the discredited Rasmussen Reports.

HarrisX : Trump approval climbs to highest level of 2019 amid impeachment inquiry

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/464072-trumps-approval-ticks-to-up-to-highest-level-since-december

President Trump’s approval ticked up to 49 percent — its highest mark this year, according to a new Hill-HarrisX survey released on Wednesday.

The figure marks a 2-point increase from a Sept. 11-12 poll, but a 2-point decrease from its previous peak of 51 percent in August 2018.

Trump's disapproval rating, meanwhile, dropped to 51 percent, which marks his lowest level so far this year.

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HarrisX is a large outlier overall (in both primary and POTUS aprroval polls). They skew too heavily to the mods and cons. They also poll the same people (who opted in) over and over, daily. Morning Consult does similar methodology.



https://scottrasmussen.com/methodology/

The field work for ScottRasmussen.com surveys is provided by HarrisX, a leading research company specializing in online surveys. The survey is conducted online within the United States on a daily basis among approximately 1,000 Registered Voters. The results reflect a nationally representative sample of Americans. Results are weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, income, political party, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population, in accordance with the demographic results of the U.S. Census Current Population Survey. These weighting categories were defined by Scott Rasmussen. Not all HarrisX surveys include all of the parameters included in ScottRasmussen.com surveys.

The respondents opt in to take our surveys and some of them are rewarded for their participation.



Biden at 36% with an 18 point is very much an outlier result. Morning Consult is the only other major poll that has him over 30 on a remotely consistent basis.






Also, this HarrisX had a wild swing from day to day in the last 2 days, with Biden's spread increasing by a highly unlikely 64% in ONE day.





This poll overall is as useful as the Change Research ones, which are just as bad in the anti-Biden bias.



And that CR poll is over a month old, so before Warren's true surge of the last couple weeks, I can but imagine what the next one will show (should be out very soon.) I will say the same thing (outlier) to Warren people who post that one too, as I am even-handed and try to be a fair arbiter.[/i


HarrisX/Havard Harris (same firm) and Morning Consult are clear outliers at national level, with flawed methodology.

clear trends that show this to be the case

















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Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
8. Harris X is a rigged poll
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:37 PM
Oct 2019

They consistently show Chump with ~10% approval above what every other poll does (except for Rasmussen of course)

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
3. Basically confirming his campaign is over.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:55 PM
Oct 2019

Here is hoping he gets well soon.

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HerbChestnut

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9. Two rallies per day means his campaign is over?
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:51 PM
Oct 2019

Really?

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sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
10. Where in the article did he say that?
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:18 PM
Oct 2019

He plans two rallies a day, seven days a week? Not what the article says.

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HerbChestnut

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11. He said it in one of the interviews in front of his house.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:47 PM
Oct 2019

May have been hyperbole, but he's not ending his campaign.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
16. I don't think he is holding any rallies.
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:59 PM
Oct 2019

Does he have any scheduled?

I don't see in the article where he said he would start doing two per day. For his healths sake I sure hope he wouldn't do something like that. He won't last much longer.

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BlueTsunami2018

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4. Outside of his solid base, I'm afraid this will disqualify him in the eyes of many.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:56 PM
Oct 2019

The “heartbeat away” question becomes real with this news. But I hope he carries on, I’ve always liked Bernie.

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Blue_true

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6. Yes. People vote largely for the main event. The spare can help in some places,
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:09 PM
Oct 2019

but the main person is who voters will vote for.

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BannonsLiver

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12. That's the cold reality
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:42 PM
Oct 2019

A lot of people seem to be in denial about the impact this is going to have. But I guess they’ll figure it out eventually.

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Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
5. The fact is that Bernie Sanders does not have the physical vigor to be president (let alone campaign
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:06 PM
Oct 2019

And should drop out.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
13. It's over for BS ... he should drop out
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:12 AM
Oct 2019

One has to have questionable intellect to vote for a 78 year old with a heart attack and possibly unstable angina.

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Tarheel_Dem

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14. Of course he should drop out, but he won't because.....rea$on$.
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:06 AM
Oct 2019

Get well soon BS.

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ehrnst

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15. Well, all I can say is thank goodness it wasn't walking pneumonia. (nt)
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:35 AM
Oct 2019
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TidalWave46

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17. Yep.
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

That would be disqualifying.

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Garrett78

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18. "...make sure that I have the strength..."
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 01:37 PM
Oct 2019

When needing to make statements like that, it's clearly time to exit the race. The truth is, Sanders was never going to be the nominee. Unless one thinks he can somehow do much, much better than he did in 2016 among POC, there's zero reason to believe he isn't essentially done by Super Tuesday.

And now that his health is an issue, dropping out makes even more sense. All that he's going to do by staying in the race is lock up a portion of the electorate that could potentially be the difference between who does and does not win the nomination. His following is substantial but he has a low ceiling, so all he does is essentially shrink the electorate. There are candidates who are polling worse than he is but have a potentially higher ceiling. If Sanders and a dozen others were to drop out and stop muddying the water, a race consisting of just 6-8 candidates would potentially change the dynamics of this race in a substantial way.

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