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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:57 PM Oct 2019

Elizabeth Warren Details Her Account of Losing Teaching Job Because of Pregnancy

It is one of Elizabeth Warren’s signature anecdotes in her stump speech: By the end of her first year as a public-school teacher, she was “visibly pregnant,” and the principal wished her luck and hired another teacher to replace her.

In recent days, a conservative news site and other outlets have cited evidence that challenges her account, including past remarks by Ms. Warren in which she did not mention being forced to leave the school and minutes from a school board meeting showing that her contract was initially extended for the next school year.

Ms. Warren is now pushing back against any suggestion that she has misrepresented the circumstances of her departure, and pointing to the discrimination that many pregnant women have faced on the job.

The school board did extend her contract early in her pregnancy, before the school knew about it, she said in an interview with CBS News. But two months later, when it was clear that she was pregnant, she lost the job.

“When I was 22 and finishing my first year of teaching, I had an experience millions of women will recognize,” she wrote on Twitter. “By June I was visibly pregnant — and the principal told me the job I’d already been promised for the next year would go to someone else.”


She added: “This was 1971, years before Congress outlawed pregnancy discrimination — but we know it still happens in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. We can fight back by telling our stories. I tell mine on the campaign trail, and I hope to hear yours.”
Ms. Warren did not name the principal in her tweets. News accounts show that the principal at the time was Edward Pruzinsky. He died in 1999.

Ms. Warren has frequently cited her experience with pregnancy discrimination as she has laid out her political biography to voters, explaining why she went from a public-school teaching career into law and eventually politics, and how her professional development was affected by a form of workplace bias that many women encounter.

Historically, it was common for American teachers to be pushed out of their jobs during pregnancy, either through termination or the requirement of an unpaid leave of absence.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-fired-pregnant.html
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Elizabeth Warren Details Her Account of Losing Teaching Job Because of Pregnancy (Original Post) bluewater Oct 2019 OP
The truth has an OBVIOUSLY liberal bias.... AZ8theist Oct 2019 #1
I can totally relate. In 1976 I was working as a secretary to the VP in the lobby of a large bank. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #2
So many women can relate BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #4
At least they let her work until she was pregnant. In 1961, I was marybourg Oct 2019 #3
I am so sorry to BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #5
My MIL was working in a large bank in 70 ms liberty Oct 2019 #6
Trump Gave Melania a Week To Get Her Pre-Pregnancy Body Back DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #7
 

AZ8theist

(5,507 posts)
1. The truth has an OBVIOUSLY liberal bias....
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:02 AM
Oct 2019

You keep shoveling their shit right back into their face, Lizzy!!

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vsrazdem

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2. I can totally relate. In 1976 I was working as a secretary to the VP in the lobby of a large bank.
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:16 AM
Oct 2019

Had just receive an excellent review the month earlier from my boss and a raise. Two weeks later, they found out I was pregnant. I was called to HR to say they were letting me go, that work was not up to par. I confronted them and told them I was going to sue them because it was obvious they were letting me go because I was pregnant. They said they would pay my unemployment, and since I didn't plan on going back to work full time after my pregnancy anyway, I agreed. They just didn't want a pregnant woman working in their lobby. It was a common occurrence back then.

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BlueMTexpat

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4. So many women can relate
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 02:31 AM
Oct 2019

to this story. However, the bank probably wouldn't even have paid your unemployment if the law against pregnancy discrimination had not been passed by then. I give them no kudos. They probably received advice from their legal department that unemployment would cost them much less than a lawsuit, which they would likely lose in the circumstances you describe.

I am so sorry that you - or any woman - has ever had to go through this at a time which should be positive and non-stressful.

In those days, it was somehow "shameful" for women to be obviously pregnant in any kind of professional setting. While things have changed, they can all too easily go backwards again, viz. Trump's recent statement about pregnant women and the constant attacks on women's control over their own bodies.

It's out there for all to see. And those who refuse to see it, will make the world worse for us all.

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marybourg

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3. At least they let her work until she was pregnant. In 1961, I was
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 01:46 AM
Oct 2019

forced out of a laboratory job in a dental gold manufacturing company in NYC, because I got engaged! I found out I was only the latest one in a long line of young women they had treated the same way. The ratIonale? “You’re going to leave us anyway soon, either when you get married or get pregnant, so it’s better you go now while you’re in between projects”.

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BlueMTexpat

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5. I am so sorry to
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 02:41 AM
Oct 2019

hear this. But it's an all too familiar story for that era.

I am old enough to remember when many women teachers had to resign at least when they got married. The prime rationale was that they would get pregnant.

Another rationale was that, if their husbands' jobs required a transfer, the women would automatically leave with them. In neither instance was a woman's choice ever considered. She was considered to be either a baby manufacturer or a consort.

Corporations and education systems just couldn't put on their big boy pants and make allowances for either situation. Many have learned to do so today and - surprise - the world did not fall apart.

Many actually seemed to hope that it would.

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ms liberty

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6. My MIL was working in a large bank in 70
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 07:18 AM
Oct 2019

When she started to show, they were going to let her go, but one of the managers had known her grandfather so he moved her upstairs to another department where she was not in public view. She's told me that story a number of times over the last 25 years, lol. As women, we keep having these convos with each other and now we seem to be going backward instead of progressing.
Edited to add: this really seems to be hitting a chord with women. We all know this story, it's happened to us and other women in our lives.

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DrFunkenstein

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7. Trump Gave Melania a Week To Get Her Pre-Pregnancy Body Back
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 08:35 AM
Oct 2019

Seven months before an alleged tryst with porn star Stormy Daniels, Donald Trump told radio host Howard Stern that he would give his pregnant wife, Melania, a couple of days — or maybe a week — to regain her model figure after giving birth.

“You know, Howard, she’s got the kind of a body and makeup where, about one day after the baby, it’s going to be the same as it was before,” Trump said during an appearance on Stern’s show on Dec. 7, 2005.

“You’re giving her one day?” Stern asked.

“One or two,” Trump replied.

Moments later, the future president reconsidered. “I think I’ll give her a week,” he said. “No, I’ll give her a week.”

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Trump also said in the 2005 interview that he had seen “beautiful women that for the rest of their lives have become [a] horror” after giving birth.

“You know, they gain like 250 pounds,” he told Stern. “It’s like a disaster.”

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Barron Trump was born March 20, 2006.

Stormy Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, told In Touch magazine that she had sex with Trump in July 2006 at a golf tournament in Nevada.

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New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser, who initially endorsed Trump for president, withdrew her support in August 2016 and shared the following anecdote in an article:

When I visited about two months after his lovely wife, Melania, now 46, gave birth to the couple’s son, Barron, now 10, the infamous germaphobe boasted that after fathering five children, he’d never changed a diaper.

I enthused that Melania, who stood quietly nearby aboard 5-inch stilettos, had lost all her baby weight.

Trump corrected me: “She’s almost lost all the baby weight.”

I was embarrassed for the mother of his youngest kid, who ignored the dig.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/19/ill-give-her-a-week-to-lose-the-baby-weight-trump-said-of-melania-months-before-alleged-tryst-with-porn-star/

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