No Joe Biden is not "disqualified". That's defeatist to trump Lies.

It's trump "who's NOT "handling" his Lying Smears very well"

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by the right wing...horrible.

"Very concerning."

"Disqualifying."

When posters spend all their time stalking and taking personal shots at other posters and cndidates.

Very true.

Of course, that standard is never applied to Bernie... but, what's fair is fair. I have no doubt that Joe will be fully transparent in answering all questions that are sure to be asked at the next debate.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

.... and she is a stronger Joe Biden supporter than before. If anyone attacks him during the debate on this issue, they will only end up embarrassing themselves.

.... a political person like myself. As things have unfolded over the past several months she has become more interested, and is now devouring information and news as fast as she can get it. She is now as informed as anyone about current affairs, and is having a hard time believing that so many Democrats can be influenced by the bullshit coming out of Donald Trump's mouth concerning Joe and Hunter Biden. I think it is an oft repeated right-wing talking point that is not actually happening. I hope not anyway.

Pretty much everyone has a problem with it. They also understand JB himself did nothing wrong.

We really do not know if either Obama or Joe Biden told him it was not a good idea. We do know that Chris Heinz not only refused to be involved, but dissolved his business ties to Hunter Biden and Devon Archer. He also notified two of the State Department aides to say he was not involved and he seemed disgusted that they were.

When the announcement came out the WH was asked about it. The spokesperson responded so I assume that the administration knew of it.

I would bet that even then - Joe Biden likely wished his son had shown the integrity and sense that Chris Heinz did.

<shrugs>

Children do reflect on their parents - fairly or unfairly. However, more presidents in the last 50 years have a relative who has problems then not. GHWB had both an alcoholic son, GWB, and one involved in the savings & loan scandal among other things. Carter had Billy. Clinton had Roger and HRC's brother. Trump had too many to name, including himself. Michelle and Barack Obama had none unless you consider relatives Obama had very little contact with.

Ironically, these Hunter actions, that make us uncomfortable may be what exposes how corrupt Trump is to those - no one here - that couldn't see it. Still, it would be easier for us, if Hunter had listened to Heinz leaving the right only the link through Devon Archer.

Reading the Schweitzer garbage, beyond smearing Joe Biden, who did nothing wrong, the most innocent victim is Chris Heinz, who acted with integrity, but who Schweitzer in his error filled book connects to both China and Ukraine, when he was involved in none of those deals. I do not think it an honest error. It was intended to broaden the narrative that the most prominent people in the Obama administration were corrupt. Kerry is not running, but he is still a strong voice and the intent was to smear him too.

The RW tried to make something of the fact that Biden said to Hunter in a phone call "Do you think this is wise?" or "Do you think this is the right thing to do?" when he said he'd never talked to Hunter about his business in Ukraine. I don't call that question "talking about his business."

Anyway, I suspect both Biden and Obama were not at all happy with this new job, but what can you do with adult children? You can't make laws affecting members of people's family, can you?

And "unwise" does not equate to "illigal" or even "immoral."

I'm just saying we shouldn't swing so far to the defense that we sound defensive. It's not necessary.

Right, I think that's the point people are missing when they talk about laws that would prevent family members of a President (or other major political figure) from sitting on a foreign board or doing, well, just about anything that is legal for any other citizen.

You have no legal control over what your adult children do. They are not slaves. I can't imagine it could be constitutional to tell any individual that they are prohibited from taking some job because of who their parents are.

Heck, we're having a hard enough time just telling people that they can't take one job because they just held another (i.e. a politician who becomes a lobbyist). And being responsible for your own choices and actions is very different from having your choices and actions restrained by who your parents are.

He couldn't stop his kid, but would have to be sure nothing even appeared to link them.

And if anyone in DC Is aware of ethics that person’s name is Barack Obama. That wasn’t so long ago. Oh, wait, I forgot about the tan suit.

But I don't see how the content of the body of your post rises to the level of your subject line.

I do think we will see Biden significantly drop in the polls because of it and he won't be the nominee because of it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287301792

Foolish to think it’s disqualifying. But I also realize how well funded the rw machine is and your wife won’t be the only one it works on.

...neither of us are swayed by RW memes.

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I believe it shows the trend is clearly starting.

Even the article you present is filled with hedging.

It’s politics. It’s going to take its toll.

The escalation of the attack is somewhat recent.

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As he should. He is leaving quantifiable statistics in his argument and is going with his expertise, which is far far greater than mine in this area. Where I will compete with him is in understanding the nature of humans.

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They obviously have an agenda as reported by the dailybeast

RealClearPolitics has carefully cultivated a non-partisan image—while in the shadows its parent company pushes images of killer Clintons and a freedom-loving Kremlin.

More at the link

https://www.thedailybeast.com/realclear-media-has-a-secret-facebook-page-filled-with-far-right-memes

wife is wrong.

it does show poor judgement, and/or lack of control over his son. Ukraine has been known for decades to be one of the most corrupt nations in the first/second worlds. It was madness for Hunter to get involved with a plonker like Mykola Zlochevsky.

His son is a middle aged grown ass man who can do what he wants and its frankly none of his father's business.

Not that my dad would ever do that because he recognizes how much I value my independence and always respected that.

Your parents's choices to get involved in politics doesn't mean you lose your own personal freedoms. If you want to be in a "normal position", you can be.

You and others need to cut this shit out with Hunter. All you are doing is giving passive aggressive aid and comfort to Trump's scam to destroy our potential nominees. If he finds success with Biden, he will find something equally as disgusting to try on Warren or whoever else becomes the next front runner. Stop giving them quarter.

and that Biden is still our best chance to beat Rump.

As for my personal opinion in terms of the wisdom of his son taking that position with a really dodgy Ukrainian firm when his father is the Vice President, I will not be brow-beaten into accepting your opinion for myself, just as I am not trying to brow-beat you into accepting mine as your new one.

You should take this all up with people who say it IS disqualifying for Biden, and stop trying to purity-pipeline me.

candidacy. Maybe you mean RW can promote that idea.

Reasonable people know we have little influence and usually no control over adult children bent on pursuing their own agendas. This fact does not show we lack strength in other realms.

Biden is considered one of the most powerful VP’s in modern American politics. Seems to show that one’s relationship with one’s children is not a model for one’s performance in the world-at-large.

Our state department in 2014 found no conflict of interest in Hunter Biden’s position.

to. Also, no conflict of interest is something different from it being a smart move for Hunter to do in the first place, given the complete dodginess of Zlochevsky in particular and the Ukrainian gas sector (and general business climate of corruption nationally) overall.

decision-making, I have nothing to say except that I am not supporting him in the primaries and
would not vote for him in the GE.

they want. Sound like a really really bad idea like this post.

doing, I am rather surprised you are smearing Biden like this...did Gore control his kid? Did Bush...give me a break.

you also chose to ignore my original premiss

who had competitive siblings. I think Hunter's "adult-child" was merely "acting out" with his professional business expertise against the "ghost of Beau." Joe was honest early on before he did announce that Beau's death had rocked that family's world. Leaving grief behind is a hard endeavor. Neither did wrong; both are still recovering. I like Joe a lot; time away from the "fish bowl" has taken its toll on both in different ways. One of them was fighting for his autonomy with the skills he knew best and succeeding at it. Just like Dad, he's his own man. Joe just has more experience in wisdom, and if he's the candidate, he'll absolutely get my vote.

Still, I'm ready and needy of the woman who knows how badly the wealth gap has damaged Americans into a perverse idea of what makes one rich and arrogant versus content and generously compassionate. Perhaps we can clean up this mal-administration of mf45 and make good choices for our climate, our healthcare, our infrastructure, return sensible taxation, etc...Maybe we can return Lady Justice to our land, change election practices and funding fairness of representation, and resolve some foreign trust. Maybe it's time to try the hard-fought wisdom of a woman's touch to the nation's household budget.

And I'm sure that Joe Biden discussed his run for VP with his family before he ran. Family members of anyone in high office are always vulnerable targets, any misstep is automatically front page news. We heard all the time about the Bush* daughters and there was even negative press about a young Chelsea Clinton. Even Jimmy Carter had to contend with it - he was warned ahead of time that his son had planned to go on a fishing trip with friends - and one of those friends was busted for drugs. Back then, that would have caused irreparable harm to his presidency. I'm not saying that Biden's son is guilty of anything, but his family members are always vulnerable targets. Except the Trumps, of course. Their cringeworthy behavior has been "normalized."

The Trump vermin actually are the forces behind illegality, whereas the Bidens are not at all

Try harder.

I do not think that is unreasonable. Control comes in many forms, not just flat-out iron clad veto power over one's childrens' actions. Advice and due diligence are also keys.

So that’s that. Have a good day.

illness and drugs are a bad combination. Again...why would you blame Biden unless it is just to derail his campaign and if so then using right wing bullshit for that is just plain wrong.

you also completely ignore my original statement where I say

His son is an adult. Expecting Joe to be running Hunter's life is misguided, at best.

Then when she's roadkill, he'll go after the next one.

My motto is: Don't Help Trump Kill Democratic Candidates.

What affects one of our candidates affects everyone one of them and we will be the ones that will lose and the gopeee will win

WAKE UP!!

Add to which, the allegations you make dramatically lack any objective evidence (e.g., "...exhibited an inability to quickly get ahead of the story&quot ; much as when my 12-year old niece tells me that "2+2=22 because it doesn't look right with a 4 at the end"

Cool little family story though. Might even be true.

The only allegation contained in the op is that Biden has failed to get out in front of this mess.

Which almost everyone agrees is true.

But do expect to get stalked relentlessly with potshot posts.

I’ve been here a long time, and I frequently disagree with the “in crowd” lol.

Not real worried, but thank you.

When somone tries to be clever and can't they end up being incoherent.

kicked out for drugs, somehow gets a high paying job almost immediately.

Joe Biden is going to face questions for this. Sad but true.

I like Biden a lot; I simply don’t think he’s up for this fight.

I’m not sad about Hunter, but I’ll keep my feelings about him to myself.

If you are sad that he’s tarnished.

Very confusing.

I’ve read numerous threads here about Hunter and his dubious dealings...I didn’t start a single one of them.

Meanwhile, people post Jacob Wohl bullshit all the time on this website. Did I miss your rebuke of them?

Just because it is the news doesn’t mean it needs to be commented, posted or used to keep the shit flowing.

And I have already admitted I fell for the bait to my regret.

So I’m signing out of this discussion. And will start ignoring posts I should have done to begin with

Bye.

Feel free to ignore me. I never ignore anyone.

I actually enjoy your posts, too bad I pissed you off. Oh well.

Unfortunately we aren’t allowed to call out people. So ambiguity is hard to accomplish sometime.

Sorry if I can’t be more clear.

You and I agree totally sometimes. Lots of times not so much.

But those I want to ignore catch me sometimes and I regret it.

I should have stayed away from the whole subject.

Hope your flowers grow. You must be somewhere warm.

I care more about my critters and my growing things than anything in Washington. Quite sure they care nothing about us.

Pals I hope? We don’t have to agree all the time. I’ve noticed we often do.

No worries either way. I don’t take DU seriously, as far as having hurt feelings. Politics is rough and tumble.

I just caught in a post I couldn’t get out of.

I just moved to Costa Rica Sept 1.
Can’t tune in to DU much.
Finally settling in tho and have more time.
Just tuned in at a bad moment for me.

Bougainvilleas are starting to bloom here.

May ask some advice.

How lucky you are!

It’s only been a month and ten days.
Neither speak Spanish.
Planned for 13 years

So far lived in three different house, signed a years lease here. Taking Spanish lessons
He is proficient in the currency, new phones, adopted a dog rescued from the streets of Tilaran.

Truly living the dream. Not a cliche.

However, if we ever write a book we are going to call it...
Moving To Costa Rica?

(Don’t believe anything you read in books, including this one)

We read tons. Watched YouTube videos.
Read the English Tico Times on line. But..

Getting here is a novel only you can write.
We’ve lucked out with the folks we basically stumbled upon. I have no idea how we would have coped.

But having said all that. Sure ask me anytime. If I don’t know, there are folks I trust and can ask.

We feel like we came home.

PM me anytime. (It’s really fab here)

I’ll pm you.

So why repeat it again and again. You are not helping in anyway...including your candidate of choice

under the "Bernie Standard," that's considered vetting, to ensure we nominated the strongest possible candidate for defeating tRumpy. That's right, almost forgot!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

This stuff.. including EW