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Eugene

(61,900 posts)
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 03:27 AM Oct 2019

The Bernie Supporters Who Say They'll Never Vote for Elizabeth Warren

Source: Newsweek

ELIZABETH WARREN HAS 2020 MOMENTUM. BUT THESE BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS SAY THEY'LL NEVER VOTE FOR HER—EVEN AGAINST TRUMP

BY SHANE CROUCHER ON 10/11/19 AT 11:53 AM EDT

Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren has the momentum in the Democratic Party's 2020 race with polls suggesting that she is now pulling ahead of former vice president Joe Biden, the longtime frontrunner in a contest that is still months away from its conclusion in July next year.

The data shows she is drawing in a big chunk of support from both moderate and liberal Democratic primary voters. Warren is the most popular second choice among not only Biden's supporters but also those backing independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist.

Yet there is a group of Sanders supporters active on social media who say, as they did in 2016 when he ran against Hillary Clinton, that it is "Bernie or bust." Warren may appeal to many Sanders supporters. But some of them say they will never vote for her—in either the primaries or 2020.

Victor Tiffany, an activist from New York, describes himself as the godfather of the #BernieorBust campaign, which started back in 2015. He even co-authored a book on it: Bernie or Bust: Pioneers of Electoral Revolt. And he has plenty of reasons for never voting Warren even in a two-horse race with Trump.

"Take your pick: She's 'a capitalist to her bones,' consulting with Hillary Clinton, a warmonger who's been voting for Trump's defense budgets, not especially honest, not progressive but a 'fauxgressive' Obamawannabe, and more," Tiffany tells Newsweek.

-snip-


Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020-trump-election-polls-1464669
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The Bernie Supporters Who Say They'll Never Vote for Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) Eugene Oct 2019 OP
I somehow don't believe this one sounds like a Democrat Hav Oct 2019 #1
It never stops. Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #2
Those BS "supporters" BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #3
this is correct, and as a % of his (much smaller in overall numbers) 2020 supporters, they make Celerity Oct 2019 #9
I don't think that BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #48
Exactly. A double-edged sword. The fact that Bernie appeals to many non-Dems... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #58
i'm not one of those, though i have heard from some of them rampartc Oct 2019 #4
Mine too!! Absolutely love love love Elizabeth!! Would walk over hot coals to vote for her InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #35
me three... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #47
You can never win everyone. I think the # of these people will be smaller this time, given Trump. NCLefty Oct 2019 #5
I Suspect You're Right corbettkroehler Oct 2019 #72
Because it was never about policies or reality. betsuni Oct 2019 #6
Oh, grow up! B Stieg Oct 2019 #7
🙏 True Blue American Oct 2019 #12
Warren is my 2nd choice pertello Oct 2019 #8
Rhonda will not be your friend, lolol Celerity Oct 2019 #11
Maybe True Blue American Oct 2019 #13
To hell with any such. Mister Ed Oct 2019 #10
a ball park guess (based off a lot of numbers I ran months ago) says he will have around 1.2 to 1.7 Celerity Oct 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author NYMinute Oct 2019 #65
I've heard that about Biden, not Warren janterry Oct 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 2019 #16
A Russian Toll OP? INdemo Oct 2019 #17
Yes, we are paying a Russian toll because of what's mentioned in the op. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #50
USA Today: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns TomCADem Oct 2019 #70
Pfft! Probably the same ignorant selfish people who... WePurrsevere Oct 2019 #18
Bernie Supporters will overwhelmingly support Warren if she is the nominee ritapria Oct 2019 #19
79% support is not overwhelming in this instance. PAMod Oct 2019 #21
Ever think maybe Bernie peels off some Trump supporters? ArcticFox Oct 2019 #56
The numbers was 88% by one study. It was the same group that analyzed the 2008 CentralMass Oct 2019 #29
Oops!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #36
let me help Victor out dsc Oct 2019 #20
I absolutely agree. Thanks for saying it. efhmc Oct 2019 #42
Some guy named Victor, and some woman named Rhonda won't vote for Liz. DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAYYYYY!!! Squinch Oct 2019 #22
Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2019 #23
Clinton Seemed a Sure Thing, So Many Thought They Could Afford DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #25
Many of those people are a strange breed with a cultish disposition nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #26
They're hopeless. Better to spend the time and effort... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #27
This article is a right wing propaganda hit job, gab13by13 Oct 2019 #28
"Newsweek leans pretty far right". Thats ridculous. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #30
All mainstream media leans right ArcticFox Oct 2019 #57
False. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #61
Amazing aint it. I see the same nonsense from the other side, about "liberal". oldsoftie Oct 2019 #66
"Newsweek leans pretty far right." False. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #62
Are these Bernie or Bust folks rw trolls or just lw idiots? lark Oct 2019 #31
Trolls and kacekwl Oct 2019 #38
I don't care BluNoMatterHu Oct 2019 #32
Oh yeah!! A voice of sanity... thank you Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #46
They are not Democrats mcar Oct 2019 #33
Here's a Twitter comment I got... brooklynite Oct 2019 #34
More nonsense. kacekwl Oct 2019 #37
See post #44..just a statement of known facts Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #45
I prefer Bernie but will vigorously support Liz. RobertDevereaux Oct 2019 #39
Why not just be honest and go ahead and vote for DJT because that is what you are essentially doing. efhmc Oct 2019 #40
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #41
I've not seen anyone here say they will not vote for Bernie if he is the nominee emulatorloo Oct 2019 #52
THat Is Nonsense Me. Oct 2019 #54
Boooooo DaDeacon Oct 2019 #43
Considering the polls of 2nd choices a good percentage of sanders supporters will not choose EW Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #44
Also known as... TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #49
I Have No Patience With These Sorts Who Would Rather Vote trump Me. Oct 2019 #51
This crap is getting real old ArcticFox Oct 2019 #53
Not this crap again Champion Jack Oct 2019 #55
Short & to the point oldsoftie Oct 2019 #67
And so it begins, again peggysue2 Oct 2019 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #60
They'll accept extreme cruelty to children Hortensis Oct 2019 #63
This time there's also those who are anyone BUT Bernie or Bust as well. -nt Amimnoch Oct 2019 #64
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Oct 2019 #68
We already know how majority of the Bernie supporters are...I have not forgotten when they acted helpisontheway Oct 2019 #69
I Support Sanders And Disagree With My Fellow Supporters Who Loathe Warren corbettkroehler Oct 2019 #71
Cue all the apologists who will tell us it's not enough to matter, and it's not sexism, and it's Maru Kitteh Oct 2019 #73
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
1. I somehow don't believe this one sounds like a Democrat
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 03:49 AM
Oct 2019

He just managed to bash Dems, is critical of Trump's policies and would still not cast a vote to beat Trump. These guys aren't very smart, it seems.
But he isnt't alone. You often see these clowns on Twitter messages either from or about Warren. I bet they are the same who said Hillary was just not the right woman.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
3. Those BS "supporters"
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:11 AM
Oct 2019

have not been, are not now and never will be Democrats.

They showed that in 2016.

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Celerity

(43,416 posts)
9. this is correct, and as a % of his (much smaller in overall numbers) 2020 supporters, they make
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 05:30 AM
Oct 2019

up a far greater one than they did of his 2016 supporters.

Of his NON DU supporters:

They are far more radical, far less Democratic Party-friendly this time around. They have turned hard on Warren and now even Gabbard.

Many of them actually ARE true socialists (and if you know anything about me, I am one girl who constantly battles (see https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287299679#post30 ) Sanderites when they falsely claim Bernie is a democratic socialist, as he is simply a bog standard social democratic, which is a BIG difference from a true socialist) for whom even Bernie is a semi-hold-your-nose vote. See Jacobin Magazine (overall they are real socialists or damn close) for that debate. A Jacobin writer (Meagan Day) is who kicked off the whole Warren smear about her teaching job, which was the picked up by the RW and ran with. see https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287303161#post18 and https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287303161#post34

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BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
48. I don't think that
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 11:25 AM
Oct 2019

the "smear" worked out for Elizabeth in the way that Meagan hoped it would.

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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
58. Exactly. A double-edged sword. The fact that Bernie appeals to many non-Dems...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 01:20 PM
Oct 2019

...is part of what gives him good potential in a general election (and explains why so many 2016 polls showed he was stronger than Hillary in a head-to-head against Trump). But it also means that you can't count on every Bernie supporters to vote for whoever the Dem is, because some of them just aren't Dems to begin with.

People bemoan open primaries, because it allows "outsiders" to influence our candidate selection, but OTOH, without healthy support from "outsiders," it's hard to win the general, and so we actually want a candidate who has strong outside-the-base appeal, who won't necessarily vote for the dem no matter what. It's a predicament.

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rampartc

(5,412 posts)
4. i'm not one of those, though i have heard from some of them
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:14 AM
Oct 2019

in fact ms warren is my second choice. i'm a long time fan of hers.



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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
35. Mine too!! Absolutely love love love Elizabeth!! Would walk over hot coals to vote for her
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:20 AM
Oct 2019

if she's our nominee!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
47. me three...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:43 AM
Oct 2019

...Elizabeth is next in line for the Progressive mantle...

...any Bernie supporter not voting for the Dem candidate, if not Bernie, is cutting their nose off to spite their face...

...four more years of trump ain't worth any principle I know...

...sinful...

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NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
5. You can never win everyone. I think the # of these people will be smaller this time, given Trump.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:15 AM
Oct 2019
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corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
72. I Suspect You're Right
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 01:57 PM
Oct 2019

You know the old saying, Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line.

Rational thinking would prevail over most if Sanders didn't capture the nomination. Fortunately for us Berners, we know that he will.

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betsuni

(25,539 posts)
6. Because it was never about policies or reality.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:20 AM
Oct 2019

Idiots. Hillary and Bernie voted the same 93% of the time. Warren is more progressive than Sanders as far as votes go. Idiots.

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B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
7. Oh, grow up!
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:29 AM
Oct 2019

This isn't some high school Election, now is it?

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True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
12. 🙏
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 05:52 AM
Oct 2019

I am really tired of these top posts pretending they are speaking for someone else when it is, in reality bashing other Democrats.

I have my favorites but if Lassie won the Primary as a Democrat I would vote for het. She was smart.

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pertello

(55 posts)
8. Warren is my 2nd choice
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:51 AM
Oct 2019

But I will vote BLUE no matter who!

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Celerity

(43,416 posts)
11. Rhonda will not be your friend, lolol
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 05:40 AM
Oct 2019


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True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
13. Maybe
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 05:55 AM
Oct 2019

[ we are sick of Rhonda’s whining!

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Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
10. To hell with any such.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 05:34 AM
Oct 2019

I hope and pray they are few.

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Celerity

(43,416 posts)
14. a ball park guess (based off a lot of numbers I ran months ago) says he will have around 1.2 to 1.7
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:04 AM
Oct 2019

million primary voter defections (defection meaning they either will not vote for POTUS at all, or they will vote Green or other small party, or will go full asshole and vote Rump) in 2020 versus his 3.2 to 3.4 million or so defections in 2016. He had a defection rate of around 23-24% in 2016. Clinton had an even higher rate (around 30%, after pulling out the Operation Chaos fake Dem voters, who were actually much smaller in number than many think) in 2008.

Still too many variables outstanding for me to be even remotely sure what will happen in 2020. The Greens will have a weaker candidate this time around so that helps. as does the much lower totals of Sanders primary voters this time versus 2016, and finally, of course, Trump is know a FULLY known monster.

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janterry

(4,429 posts)
15. I've heard that about Biden, not Warren
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:14 AM
Oct 2019

but that's just a few folks around my part of the country

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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
17. A Russian Toll OP?
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:46 AM
Oct 2019

I think so

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
50. Yes, we are paying a Russian toll because of what's mentioned in the op. NT
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:13 PM
Oct 2019
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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
70. USA Today: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 03:33 PM
Oct 2019
A Russian Toll OP?

I think so


I disagree and do not think that Bernie is a Russian troll as you suggest. There is no evidence of that. Rather, the evidence has been that Russians helped Bernie's campaign by promoting Bernie and attacking Hillary Clinton.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

WASHINGTON – It turns out Donald Trump wasn’t the only candidate the Russians allegedly tried to help during the 2016 presidential campaign.

A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The Russians “engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump,” according to the indictment, which was issued Friday.

The document, which spells out in detail how the Russians worked to support Trump’s campaign, alleges that on or about Feb. 10, 2016, the Russians internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted on social media accounts.
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WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
18. Pfft! Probably the same ignorant selfish people who...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:51 AM
Oct 2019

voted for Stein and helped put Trump in position.

There are extremists on the left and on the right (and I suspect Putin messes with both just for "shits and giggles&quot . The ones in the article are similar to their right Cult45 'cousins' in that they're the same childish types who tend to vote for an extremist loon or flim flam type or stay home because they didn't get their 'pony' fast enough. The only thing we can do about these toddlers in grown-up skin is hope like heck that they have an epiphany that makes them wake up and grow up before they help re-elect Trump.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
19. Bernie Supporters will overwhelmingly support Warren if she is the nominee
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:11 AM
Oct 2019

In fact they overwhelmingly supported HRC (79%) in 2016 General Election ….In 2008 24% of Hillary supporters voted for John McCain in the General …. From Gallup :"If McCain v. Obama, 28 % of Clinton Backers go for McCain '

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PAMod

(906 posts)
21. 79% support is not overwhelming in this instance.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:32 AM
Oct 2019

In fact, it's appalling.

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ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
56. Ever think maybe Bernie peels off some Trump supporters?
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:58 PM
Oct 2019

I mean, Trump supporters aren't all about racism and misogyny. Some are just tired of status quo politicians. Trump pretends to be against the status quo; Sanders genuinely is.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
29. The numbers was 88% by one study. It was the same group that analyzed the 2008
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:41 AM
Oct 2019

election and determjned that only 76%: of Hillary voters voted for Senstor Obama in the general.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
36. Oops!!
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:22 AM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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dsc

(52,163 posts)
20. let me help Victor out
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:32 AM
Oct 2019

he means she doesn't have a penis.

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efhmc

(14,731 posts)
42. I absolutely agree. Thanks for saying it.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:55 AM
Oct 2019
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Squinch

(50,955 posts)
22. Some guy named Victor, and some woman named Rhonda won't vote for Liz. DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAYYYYY!!!
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:35 AM
Oct 2019
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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
23. Precisely
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:41 AM
Oct 2019

More manufactured drama to fill bandwidth, airtime and column inches.

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DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
24. Clinton Seemed a Sure Thing, So Many Thought They Could Afford
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:49 AM
Oct 2019

To stay home. I seriously doubt any of these fools are under such illusions this time around. Anti-Trump turnout is going to be massive, no matter who we nominate.

This is cheap, anecdotal faux-nalism.

Newsweek.

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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
26. Many of those people are a strange breed with a cultish disposition nt
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:22 AM
Oct 2019
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
27. They're hopeless. Better to spend the time and effort...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:36 AM
Oct 2019

They're hopeless. Better to spend the time and effort gaining new voters and first time voters and reasonable/thoughtful/mature voters who will support our party's nominee.

Why waste one's time trying to validate and console and flatter a handful of butthurt BS supporters who feel the need to "punish" Democrats? Honestly, the same (or less) effort to GOTV would easily result in tenfold that number of disgruntled malcontents.

There will always be stupid and selfish and self-righteous people. You can't "save" them all. The wisest and smartest choice is to overwhelm them with the votes of rational people who care more about their country than they do about their personal pride or their hurt feelings.

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gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
28. This article is a right wing propaganda hit job,
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:39 AM
Oct 2019

I have seen zero Bernie supporters who have said they won't vote for Warren.

Newsweek leans pretty far right.

I'd be happy with Warren or Bernie.

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oldsoftie

(12,557 posts)
30. "Newsweek leans pretty far right". Thats ridculous.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:53 AM
Oct 2019

trump thinks Fox has gone liberal. Go figure.

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ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
57. All mainstream media leans right
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 01:06 PM
Oct 2019

Is it any surprise, given that they all rely on support of big money interests? In fact, the center has been sliding rightward for decades.

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oldsoftie

(12,557 posts)
66. Amazing aint it. I see the same nonsense from the other side, about "liberal".
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:52 PM
Oct 2019

I see people pushing "OAN" because Fox is "so liberal these days" & "Murdochs boys are Libs"

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lark

(23,105 posts)
31. Are these Bernie or Bust folks rw trolls or just lw idiots?
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:54 AM
Oct 2019

I have to keep reminding myself that they are not representative of the true Bernie supporters who would definitely vote for Warren over drumpf..

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kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
38. Trolls and
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:26 AM
Oct 2019

Idiots.

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BluNoMatterHu

(31 posts)
32. I don't care
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:56 AM
Oct 2019

Who the nominee is. Any one of our choices is a million times better than anyone on their side and I will be proud to pull the lever for any of our wonderful candidates! I am so sick of these butt hurt people who cry and whine when they don’t get their way. (Ironically, just like trumpers and one of the numerous reasons we lost in 2016.) Here’s the rule: Fall in love during the primaries. Fall in line during the general election. Get over yourself and understand this is bigger than any one person.

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
46. Oh yeah!! A voice of sanity... thank you
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:31 AM
Oct 2019
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mcar

(42,334 posts)
33. They are not Democrats
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:05 AM
Oct 2019

They don't care about this country. They are spoiled little children who are going to take their ball and go home if they don't get their way.


Fortunately, there aren't as many of them (IMO) as there were in the 2016 GE.

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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
34. Here's a Twitter comment I got...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:18 AM
Oct 2019
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kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
37. More nonsense.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:24 AM
Oct 2019

I suspect if any it may be a dozen knuckleheads with this view. Stop dividing us at another candidates expense.

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
45. See post #44..just a statement of known facts
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:30 AM
Oct 2019
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RobertDevereaux

(1,857 posts)
39. I prefer Bernie but will vigorously support Liz.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:39 AM
Oct 2019

I have this peculiar fondness for the survival and flourishing of the human race on this planet!

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efhmc

(14,731 posts)
40. Why not just be honest and go ahead and vote for DJT because that is what you are essentially doing.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:44 AM
Oct 2019
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emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
52. I've not seen anyone here say they will not vote for Bernie if he is the nominee
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:49 PM
Oct 2019

Everyone on DU will vote Democratic in the GE

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
54. THat Is Nonsense
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:49 PM
Oct 2019

Where are you getting that idea, people here will vote for the nominee.

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DaDeacon

(984 posts)
43. Boooooo
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:18 AM
Oct 2019

This is just bullshit! Sanders is a good candidate but not the only candidate. Against the GOp we need to vote for whoever isn't (R) !

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
44. Considering the polls of 2nd choices a good percentage of sanders supporters will not choose EW
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:29 AM
Oct 2019

Not saying these voters won’t vote blue!

Here’s an explanation

“Sanders and Warren voters have little in common.”

More at the link

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548

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Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
49. Also known as...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:06 PM
Oct 2019

Republican enablers.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
51. I Have No Patience With These Sorts Who Would Rather Vote trump
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:47 PM
Oct 2019

Tha save our country. And the Senator needs to address this if they are truly 'his people'.

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ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
53. This crap is getting real old
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:49 PM
Oct 2019

I wish all this "Bernie supporters aren't real Democrats" thing would just end. I mean, who cares if some think he's the only one that "gets it"? Surely every candidate has some fanatic "my way or the highway" supporters.

Does anyone else think it's probably just a bunch of Republican bots ginning up animosity between the democratic factions?

What if, instead, we start celebrating all the various and good ideas put out there by Democrats. And talking about real issues that matter (not like whether Warren was really fired for being pregnant, e.g.). One thing I've generally loved about Democrats is their willingness to consider others' ideas.

Divisive talk attempts to squelch the ideas Sanders stands for. They are overall very good ideas. It will hurt us all if we're make people feel excluded for having them. And it's not done just to Sanders, either. It's any time somebody proposes a change to the status quo.

Let's not turn into a lockstep party. That's the Republicans.

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peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
59. And so it begins, again
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 01:33 PM
Oct 2019

This should put a lid on the people who say this backlash from the Far Left never happened in 2016. Look at the language Victor Tiffany uses to describe Hillary Clinton, language which they're now transferring to Elizabeth Warren. The very fact that Warren has described herself as a capitalist is viewed as a crime. An Obamawannabe?

Here it comes, again.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
63. They'll accept extreme cruelty to children
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:08 PM
Oct 2019

As a policy of THEIR government. Same in 2016 and they recognize and regret no wrongdoing. This is continuation of extremism, what destroys nations when good people don’t keep them in check, as we did for 70 years.

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
64. This time there's also those who are anyone BUT Bernie or Bust as well. -nt
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:34 PM
Oct 2019
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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
68. Who is surprised by this?
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 03:02 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
69. We already know how majority of the Bernie supporters are...I have not forgotten when they acted
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 03:24 PM
Oct 2019

like a fool at the convention.

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corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
71. I Support Sanders And Disagree With My Fellow Supporters Who Loathe Warren
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 01:53 PM
Oct 2019

The potential mess which a blockade on other candidates would yield been borne out for the whole world to see in Herr Drumpf. I voted for Hillary in the 2016 general and haven't regretted that decision for a second. Anyone who asked me about Stein at the time received the same answer, "The primary is over. Hillary remains a fine choice."

In 2020, I will vote for our nominee. Should that turn out to be Senator Warren, my conviction would not waver in the slightest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
73. Cue all the apologists who will tell us it's not enough to matter, and it's not sexism, and it's
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 02:49 PM
Oct 2019

really economic anxiety, or whatever bullshit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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