She will be talking about a whole new capaitalism. He will be talking about Mother and old things. She is new. He is dead inside. Biden is not new. There is a huge contrast between Pence and Warren. Just putting it up for discussion. I thinl Biden would still win. But i would like to see the GOP platform blown out of the water.

There is a huge contrast between Pence and Biden. They have no more in common than Pence and Warren do.

many folks don't know Biden. He would beat the pants off of pence.

We fans tend to exaggerate our candidates’ political viability based on our notion of their abilities to leap tall buildings and cure the world’s ills.

Along those lines, I think Biden could do well against anyone Republicans put up.

ALL THREE in the "top tier" could best Pence, but right now only Biden is outside the margin of error.

Still, Elizabeth hasn't really focused on OH yet. When she does, I fully expect that the polls will reflect a distinct uptick in her support there, against both Trump and Pence.

be ready.

would get soundly beaten by them.

Klobuchar or Harris would do better. Obviously, that's an opinion.

And I'll admit I'm quite biased against Warren mainly because of the way she treated Obama and Clinton over TPP leading into November 2016, and her wealth tax wouldn't even produce enough to eliminate 25% of today's deficit, much less pay for healthcare, childcare, climate change, infrastructure, college debt forgiveness, "free" college, bolstering Social Security, etc.

will specify: affordable housing for all, revamp housing for military families, 200 billion for opiate addiction, 50 billion for black universities, “bonus” funds to Med providers who lower the maternal mortality rates for African-American mothers, expansion public funding for abortion, debt relief to Puerto Rico, raising wages, stronger social services through guaranteed federal funding for Native Americans and funding for infrastructure in Indian lands, 85 billion federal grant program to expand broadband aces on tribal lands, expand Native American Community Development Financial Institutions assistances program, investment in rural America (several ways)...

I favor investment in neglected, disenfranchised, historically economically oppressed populations, and in all the areas Warren outlines. But I see a need to prune and prioritize.

First by income, i.e. target plans to lower income people, demographics, regions, and then by urgency and effectuation of the greatest change in economic equality. For instance, using student debt as an example, why give 95 percent debt relief? Some can pay whereas families are being foreclosed upon, people of color, elderly, disabled thrown out of homes all across America. Should student debt be prioritized over home debt? Could a rollback of half the interest percentage give
relief and that savings be used for asylum seekers, to expand Medicaid, increase food stamps, guarantee needy children’s school lunch programs, help homeless until that nation-wide affordable housing is built?

About affordable housing. Could we start with improvement in existing public housing? Not as sexy
an idea, but shoring up, funding the underfunded, restoring broken social services programs before adding 200 more dollars a month more SS to everyone’s pocket, might be a first bit of business.

Honestly, no way proposed wealth tax covers these worthy and needed investments, so we look to taxes and adding to the deficit. Rolling back the tax giveaways will help some, but still, when meals on wheels, basic social service programs are on the chopping block, just why aim for 95 percent and not 40 percent student debt relief? Get existing forgiveness programs up and running.

I am glad I am not running and have to choose which groups and how and where to start when so much need exists. Start with the need and the needy. Honestly, not all millennials, the majority
bearers of student debt are needy.

And bring back job training attached to unemployment checks, not as a condition, but part of the
package.

Where to begin...that is the question.

The more I read about the Wealth Tax proposed vs Warren's programs/policies, the more I'm convinced that the numbers simply do not add up. And that's taking the rosy numbers Warren's campaign has provided for the anticipated revenue haul. Then there's the question of getting something like this through Congress and the constitutional questions raised with a direct tax. Not to mention the financial ditch that Trump's stupidity and arrogance has driven the country into.

In the end, The Math always has the final say.

As for Pence? I don't see Pence as a viable candidate. From what I've read voters in Indiana were ready to kick the man to the curb before he got the VP gig. I think he's even less popular nationally with the exception of the evangelicals, perhaps. Haley or Kasich are another matter. Particularly Kasich. He'd be a tough candidate to run against.

Has Warren ever promoted the wealth tax as a way to reduce the deficit? I don't remember seeing that. (Though it would be a way to pay for some new programs without increasing the deficit.)

Also, that's not the entirety of her suggested reforms to the tax system, therefore it doesn't have to do everything by itself. She has many other sources of revenue in her economic plan, including rolling back Trump's huge cut in the corporate income tax rate. So the question isn't whether any one component can do something, but rather whether the sum of all its components can.

Some info at https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/05/these-are-the-taxes-elizabeth-warren-has-proposed-for-2020.html

You are exactly right.

She has talked a lot about how to pay for her proposals, though.

... would pick someone other than Pence, should Trump be ousted. But, in the event Pence wins the nom, I do agree Warren would do better against him than Biden. It's just more of a contrast... and Warren seems to have that extra something, this time around.

Aside from the fact that he already carries Trump's stank on him, he has all the charisma of a bowl of cold oatmeal. The fundies like him but Trump's MAGAts who aren't fundies might just stay home because he doesn't have Trump's knack for stirring up rage and hate.

would stomp Pence.

constitution that gives them the edge. They will cheat, lie, extort, propagandize their way to a win.
They are like organized crime, with international ties to actual O.C.

We have to win honestly.

Not a thing that can not be done. This primary should give us an idea of who can best do it.

...it does again bring up something I voiced long ago, that Biden's big campaign focus on Trump may end up being not the best strategy if Trump doesn't end up being the candidate. Though polls do currently show that he'd do fine against Pence anyway.

He's a caricature of a man who would have been president in the 1890s.