I wish the mayor would have the courage to fire some white cops

in a city small enough to have a laser-focus on anything that goes wrong (unlike a mega city like NYC or LA where it gets lost in the shuffle), yet big enough for crazy shit to happen) and they would get lit the fuck up.

on the social media over his uncalled for attacks.

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so its all swings and roundabouts in any event.

So there's that.

Nothing to see here. Just another ambitious pol willing to do whatever it takes to win. Pretend to be idealistic and then cut em off at the knees from behind.

Actually, I have admired Pete for longer than he has been running. But he showed last night that he is as susceptible to being controlled by political managers as any one else. He and Beto both need to drop this pipe dream and go home to run for senate. If they had more concern for the country than their political profile, they would help win the senate instead of helping the republicans tear down any of our actual eventual candidates.

A very effective debater (we knew that), but shedding the feel good pixie dust Obama never lost.

We'll see how that works.

He was seldom mean. Pete's the angels have flown.

Clinton and Obama exchange insults as Democratic campaign debate gets personal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/22/hillaryclinton.uselections2008

The battle for the Democratic nomination became increasingly bitter last night as frontrunners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama engaged in the most vicious exchanges yet seen in a televised debate.
The two traded personal attacks after a brief discussion of US economic woes. Obama said he had been working in the slums of Chicago while Clinton "was a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of WalMart". Clinton retaliated that Obama had represented a slum landlord.

Obama repeatedly claimed he had been a victim of a campaign of dishonest tactics by the Clinton campaign over the past month. The audience booed Clinton when she said Obama never gave a straight answer. Earlier Obama had gambled on a full-frontal challenge to the Democratic icon Bill Clinton, who has made a series of personal attacks on Obama on the campaign trail since December. Obama retaliated before the debate, describing the former president's behaviour as "troubling" and accusing him of distorting facts. Clinton's status as the most popular figure in the party makes any public attack risky, though less so than it would have been a few weeks ago. The former president's derogatory and often tetchy remarks have alienated and angered many senior Democrats previously loyal to him, particularly African Americans.

In an interview with ABC television, Obama said: "The former president, who I think all of us have a lot of regard for, has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling. He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts ... This has become a habit, and one of the things that we're going to have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he's making statements that are not factually accurate."

Clinton in December said Obama's lack of experience would make his presidency "a roll of the dice". A few days before the New Hampshire primary on January 8, he described Obama's early opposition to the Iraq war as a "fairytale", a derogatory remark that has caused the most offence, and at the weekend Clinton accused the Obama team of using strong-arm tactics in the Nevada primary. The deterioration in relations between the two camps follows a short-lived truce brokered last week after a damaging series of exchanges over race, including over the legacy of Martin Luther King.

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The two did indeed trade personal attacks. At, I wished he had brought some of that fire to the presidency. It was rare.

He would have crushed Rump.

I now it is for bullshit reasons (the slagging her off), but nonetheless we ran a staggeringly unpopular candidate in Hillary. Her unpopularity post run is unprecedented

Sometimes you just (no matter how unfair it is) cannot ram down a a very unpopular candidate into the US electorate's throat. My fellow students at LSE laughed at me when I alone (out of 30 plus people) said Rump would win. That was in September 2016, before the Comey skulduggery etc.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's favorability with U.S. adults is unchanged from last November -- remaining at a record low (36%).




These results, from a Sept. 4-12 Gallup poll, confirm that Clinton's image remains in a rut nearly two years after she lost the presidential contest in 2016. Her favorable rating is down seven percentage points from where it stood on the eve of the election.

Two key trends would suggest that Clinton should become more popular, not less, after the 2016 presidential election. The first is specific to Clinton. While opinions of Clinton have varied over her long time in the public limelight, she has tended to be quite popular when she is no longer seen as a purely political figure. When her husband, former President Bill Clinton, faced impeachment in 1998, for instance, Hillary Clinton's favorable rating rose to a record high of 67%. Clinton was also generally well-liked over the course of her 2009-2013 tenure as secretary of state.

By contrast, Clinton's favorable rating fell when she sought the presidency in 2008 and 2016, particularly after allegations about her improper handling of classified emails were revealed in summer 2015.

perhaps the opposite. In hindsight, I agree with you: trump would have made less progress in the midwest if Biden had been the candidate. The thing is, few VPs have ever been elected to what amounts to a third term. Nixon failed in 1960, Gore in 2000. Bush won in 1988, after Willie Horton, but that is the exception. At the conclusion of 8 years, people are looking for a patch of blue sky -'new and improved' - that American contradiction.

What about Susan Rice, Obama's NSA and also UN Ambassador?
Peter Orsag, Obama's OMB director designate, and former CBO director?

against Hillary in that roll out.

I was a decade away from joining DU, but I would lay a massive wager that it was not all unicorns and rainbows here back then.

I remember him being very dismissive and condescending to Hillary. No pixie dust to be seen. That said, Obama was one of the more civil and decent candidates, but he did not walk on water.

I saw him in person in 2012 and he really was extraordinary on the campaign trail.

You know DU better than that It was brutal. A whole group of posters left forever, the PUMAs (Party Unity My Ass). Some went on to support McCain. Sound familiar?

It really did get ugly, didn't it? It was so bad in 2016, that I'd forgotten about 2008. I learned to spend very little time on the primaries forum during primary season.

The only candidate I've donated to is Buttigieg, but I know I need to pick one of the front-runners, and as a women I want it to be Warren, but I'm not excited. I liked Kamala tonight more than I ever have. Too bad she's polling even worse than Pete!

Yang (I like his future-forward messaging), and Booker (plus a dollar to Gravel based off a close friend begging me.)

I thought she handled her first time in the middle of a circular firing squad quite well honestly. She still just needs to admit that MFA will involve tax increases but the healthcare savings more than balances it out.

Voters have a right to know

Rip off the band-aid. I don't really have a problem with her plan. Its not getting passed anytime soon.

That's been said.

You sure you have the right person marked as your candidate?

A lot of GP’s have become specialists. Even more will under m4a. The Hospitals will be outpatient clinics. Your doctor will be whoever is available when it’s your turn.

I think he did well if you support him, but for those undecided about him, he came off as somewhat strident and arrogant. And playing up his youth with implied jabs at older candidates came off as immaturity.