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Cha

(297,323 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:22 AM Oct 2019

"trump's tweets incite violence, threaten witnesses, and obstruct justice."



It would be only fair if trump were suspended indefinitely from his weaponize twitter account

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"trump's tweets incite violence, threaten witnesses, and obstruct justice." (Original Post) Cha Oct 2019 OP
Kamala Harris again called for Twitter to shut down President Trump's Twitter account in tonight's Cha Oct 2019 #1
The Reich-wing propaganda machine. SergeStorms Oct 2019 #2
+1...Fairness Doctrine coming back would be huge... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2019 #3
I am all for Gump using social media! jimmil Oct 2019 #4
Trump bares his ignorance for all to see. gordianot Oct 2019 #5
What the First Amendment does NOT cover as 'free speech' (incitement to violence is NOT protected) CousinIT Oct 2019 #6
Thanks, CousinIT! Cha Oct 2019 #7
 

Cha

(297,323 posts)
1. Kamala Harris again called for Twitter to shut down President Trump's Twitter account in tonight's
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:43 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
2. The Reich-wing propaganda machine.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:40 AM
Oct 2019

Trump has FOX Noise, over 600 Rush Limbaugh radio stations, 193 Sinclair owned TV stations, Facebook, Twitter etc. and absolutely no one reigning them in on their lies!

This is Trump's true wall! How are truth and honesty to prevail with this toxic saturation of propaganda arrayed against the American people? With the next Democratic President we must reinstate the 'Fairness Doctrine'. We have to relegate these lie merchants to websites like 4chan, 8chan etc. and get them off the people's airwaves where fairness and honesty MUST prevail for our Republic to flourish. We can't rid ourselves of their filthy propaganda altogether, but we can and must put it back under the rocks from which it came.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,747 posts)
3. +1...Fairness Doctrine coming back would be huge...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:59 AM
Oct 2019

that’s a great place to start.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jimmil

(629 posts)
4. I am all for Gump using social media!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:53 AM
Oct 2019

It seems all he really does is keep us informed of all the crooked things he is doing. Without his massive ego intertwined with instant access to the public we wouldn't know half the shit he does. every time he opens his mouth he digs deeper.

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gordianot

(15,242 posts)
5. Trump bares his ignorance for all to see.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:47 AM
Oct 2019

This may actually be the only thing his ignorant audience reads. It would be interesting to find out how many of his base are actually able to even read his Twitter feed or Facebook. The words they regurgitate are a window into the totality of ignorance of both Trump and his followers. They are why I keep the door closed, the house locked, watch who surrounds me. If you listen Trumpers are easy to spot and avoid. At times I do enjoy baiting them with their own propaganda they are easily insulted. This valuable information is made possible by Donald’s demented Twitter feed stream of consciousness available for all to consider free of charge. I would rather know than not know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
6. What the First Amendment does NOT cover as 'free speech' (incitement to violence is NOT protected)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:07 AM
Oct 2019
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/what-type-of-speech-is-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment-34258


Fighting Words
Government may prohibit the use of “fighting words,” which is speech that is used to inflame another and that will likely incite physical retaliation. Likewise, language that is meant to incite the masses toward lawless action is not protected. This can include speech that is intended to incite violence or to encourage the audience to commit illegal acts. The test for fighting words is whether an average citizen would view the language as being inherently likely to provoke a violent response.

Obscenity
Most forms of obscenity are protected by the First Amendment. However, there is a high threshold that must be met in order for obscenity not to be protected, which includes showing that the language appeals to the prurient interest in sex, that it depicts something that is considered patently offensive based on contemporary community standards and that it lacks serious literary, scientific or artistic value.

Child Pornography
Child pornography is an exception to the First Amendment’s right to free speech and to having to meet the high threshold test for other obscene works. Speech is not protected if it depicts a minor performing sexual acts or showing their private parts.

Libel and Slander
The First Amendment does not protect individuals from facing civil penalties if they defame another person through written or verbal communication.

Crimes Involving Speech
The First Amendment also does not provide protection for forms of speech that are used to commit a crime, such as perjury, extortion or harassment.

Threats
Speech is not usually protected when it constitutes a threat toward another that places the target of such speech of bodily harm or death. There are certain exceptions, such as when a reasonable person would understand the language not to be a credible threat. Additionally, threats of mere social ostracism or boycotts are protected by the constitution.

Violation of Copyright Rules
Intellectual property is protected, including copyrights and trademarks. The Supreme Court has held that copyright laws can withstand a First Amendment challenge based on the freedom of speech.

Conduct Regulations
The government is permitted to make laws regarding the conduct related to speech, such as by stating when speech may be provided, where it may be provided and how it can be communicated. Courts generally uphold these types of regulations as long as they are considered content-neutral and not directed only at prohibiting the expression of certain ideas. For example, the government may prohibit demonstrations at certain locations, may limit the size of a poster used for speech and may limit the amount of sound that can be heard at specific times.

Commercial Speech
While commercial speech is protected, it is generally viewed as having “diminished protection.” Commercial speech may be faced with many more regulations than speech from a private citizen if a substantial government interest is advanced and the government’s restriction is no more extensive than necessary. This type of protection serves the interest of protecting the public from false information while still recognizing the need for free communication between businesses and potential customers.


Twitter is a privately owned platform ie: not run by any public agency. HOWEVER, when PUBLIC OFFICIALS and WORLD LEADERS use it to DO the things I put in bold above, their speech is NOT. PROTECTED. under the law and that private platform (which CHOOSES to allow this type of speech from said public official on its private platform), has every right to SHUT. THE. ACCOUNT. DOWN. They claim they are allowing this due to "public interest" (ie: they don't want to lose all those millions of Trump cult members who use the platform so it's really their own interest they're concerned about).

However, when members of congress and American citizens endure threats to their LIVES daily (and they DO), and in the case of congress members, have to hire personal protection because of this, subsequent to Trump's incitement of violence and hate against these individuals and groups, shutting down Trump's account is a matter of public PROTECTION and would NOT be a violation of his free speech. PARTICULARLY as a public official and world leader, his threats and incitements should be BANNED on any and every platform. IF they were responsibly run. But they're NOT, so this crap is being allowed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,323 posts)
7. Thanks, CousinIT!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:36 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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