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Marianne Williamson defends Tulsi Gabbard (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 OP
It needed only this mcar Oct 2019 #1
+1000 Drum Oct 2019 #9
She's silent on Gabbard's smearing Clinton. Of course she is. Beakybird Oct 2019 #2
Just out of curiosity, did she smear Clinton before Clinton implied that she was a russian asset? yaesu Oct 2019 #13
I don't know. But Clinton never named Gabbard. Beakybird Oct 2019 #16
Clinton didn't name Gabbard, but Clinton said "she". There are 5 women in the running for president zackymilly Oct 2019 #24
Well, "she" shouldn't have stirred the pot to begin with, we have enough trouble dealing with yaesu Oct 2019 #30
Wait...what? Warning about Russian interference lapucelle Oct 2019 #39
Stop FUCKING BASHING Hillary Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #52
It certainly wasn't Warren, Harris, or Klobuchar. lapucelle Oct 2019 #33
No, this is a longstanding issue. Gabbard was a vice chair of the DNC in 2015-16 and resigned vsrazdem Oct 2019 #17
Oh, okay, that makes sense. I figured there was more to the story than I was hearing yaesu Oct 2019 #18
This is the letter she received after she resigned, which I think pretty much says it all. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #23
Who are Darnell Strom & Michael Kives? Did they write that as members of the DNC? thesquanderer Oct 2019 #25
Strom and Kives were executive agents at CAA at the time, lapucelle Oct 2019 #32
I don't know what CAA is, but I saw today that Storm was from Clinton Foundation thesquanderer Oct 2019 #46
There are rampant right wing conspiracy theories, as well as Russia-generarated misinformation lapucelle Oct 2019 #54
Where did you get this? Post a source/link please or how are we to know its legitimate? Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #47
Email sent to Clinton campaign and John Podesta re correspondence with Tulsi, released by Wikileaks. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #48
Wikileaks? Ok... Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #49
Clearly not vsrazdem, I share in your assessment n/t Devil Child Oct 2019 #19
Wait...what? lapucelle Oct 2019 #35
Well apparently the DNC took it personally, so yes. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #38
Where is there any evidence that "the DNC took it personally"? lapucelle Oct 2019 #40
Unless you have DIRECT PROOF that HRC had ANY residual issues with Tulsi, Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #42
That's not my opinion. That's the opinion I'm arguing against. lapucelle Oct 2019 #44
Just out of curiousity...why did Gabbard assume that the reference was to her? lapucelle Oct 2019 #29
When did this become a gender issue? IronLionZion Oct 2019 #3
That's what I was wondering. 2naSalit Oct 2019 #5
LOL Scurrilous Oct 2019 #4
Because she wants headlines too! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #6
And she wants to make it about misogyny? LakeArenal Oct 2019 #7
Thanks Marianne WA-03 Democrat Oct 2019 #8
You may be a Russian asset SCVDem Oct 2019 #10
Playing right into the hands of the MontanaMama Oct 2019 #11
I was saying this all day long yesterday, this whole debate is a nasty can of worms that yaesu Oct 2019 #12
Voters needed to be warned about Tulsi .. no one better than Clinton to do it PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #14
Strange how she thinks it is okay to smear other Democratic politicians like Hillary Clinton. UCmeNdc Oct 2019 #15
2 who need to go MFM008 Oct 2019 #20
"The Democratic establishment" Hav Oct 2019 #21
Wow! The Democratic establishment is doing it? LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #22
I knew that Williamson was going to be a problem. nt Blue_true Oct 2019 #26
She should have stuck to playing with her crystals. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #43
Umm... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #27
Thanks Virginia independent Oct 2019 #28
Nothing Hillary said was false. nt. Trenzalore Oct 2019 #31
Anti vaxxer defends Putin puppet Yoopy Oct 2019 #34
Did she see it in a seance or a crystal ball? nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #36
"She heard it through the vortex" Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #41
Who? still_one Oct 2019 #37
"Stop smearing women" Tulsi steps down as vice-chair of the DNC (ahem, establishment) betsuni Oct 2019 #45
She is not being smeared and not being criticized treestar Oct 2019 #50
Of course she does! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #51
Gabbard/Williamson 2020? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #53
 

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
2. She's silent on Gabbard's smearing Clinton. Of course she is.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:45 PM
Oct 2019
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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
13. Just out of curiosity, did she smear Clinton before Clinton implied that she was a russian asset?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:04 PM
Oct 2019

Was there animosity between these two? This seemed to come out of the blue like an orange lightning bolt.

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Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
16. I don't know. But Clinton never named Gabbard.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:09 PM
Oct 2019

It's a fact that Gabbard is supported by Russian Twitter bots, that she has nothing but praise for Putin and Assad, and that she's been endorsed by David Duke and Steve Bannon.

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zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
24. Clinton didn't name Gabbard, but Clinton said "she". There are 5 women in the running for president
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 04:10 PM
Oct 2019

It's easy to figure out she wasn't talking about Warren, Harris, Amy, or Williamson, in my opinion.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
30. Well, "she" shouldn't have stirred the pot to begin with, we have enough trouble dealing with
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:38 PM
Oct 2019

rightwing accusations.

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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
39. Wait...what? Warning about Russian interference
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:33 PM
Oct 2019

in the upcoming election is "stirring the pot"?

Those who think that "we have enough trouble dealing with right wing accusations", would probably be better served if Van Jones stopped rubbing shoulders with the Trump boys and Tulsi stayed off Fox.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
52. Stop FUCKING BASHING Hillary
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
33. It certainly wasn't Warren, Harris, or Klobuchar.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:01 PM
Oct 2019

Who does that leave?

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
17. No, this is a longstanding issue. Gabbard was a vice chair of the DNC in 2015-16 and resigned
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:26 PM
Oct 2019

to endorse Bernie Sanders. She felt the DNC treated Sanders unfairly and Hillary took it very personally, and clearly has not gotten over it.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
18. Oh, okay, that makes sense. I figured there was more to the story than I was hearing
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:55 PM
Oct 2019

thanks for clearing that up. By the way, listening to the Bernie rally now & loving it.

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
23. This is the letter she received after she resigned, which I think pretty much says it all.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 03:52 PM
Oct 2019

From: Darnell Strom
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:13 PM
To: Tulsi Gabbard (tulsi.gabbard@gmail.com<mailto:tulsi.gabbard@gmail.com&gt
Cc: Michael Kives
Subject: Disappointed

Representative Gabbard,

We were very disappointed to hear that you would resign your position with the DNC so you could endorse Bernie Sanders, a man who has never been a Democrat before. When we met over dinner a couple of years ago I was so impressed by your intellect, your passion, and commitment to getting things done on behalf of the American people. For you to endorse a man who has spent almost 40 years in public office with very few accomplishments, doesn't fall in line with what we previously thought of you. Hillary Clinton will be our party's nominee and you standing on ceremony to support the sinking Bernie Sanders ship is disrespectful to Hillary Clinton. A woman who has spent the vast majority of her life in public service and working on behalf of women, families, and the underserved.

You have called both myself and Michael Kives before about helping your campaign raise money, we no longer trust your judgement so will not be raising money for your campaign.

Darnell Strom & Michael Kives
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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
25. Who are Darnell Strom & Michael Kives? Did they write that as members of the DNC?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 05:54 PM
Oct 2019

I will say that Feb 29 was a little early to declare "Hillary Clinton will be our party's nominee." So clearly, whoever they are, they are writing from their own biased perspective.

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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
32. Strom and Kives were executive agents at CAA at the time,
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:55 PM
Oct 2019

and both had worked for and with Bill and Hillary Clinton in the past. Their email to Gabbard informing her that they were no longer willing to represent her was released by Wikileaks in the October 2016 dump.

I wonder why Wikileaks sought to weaponize an email to Gabbard right before the 2016 election?

I also wonder why Gabbard is such a staunch defender of Wikileaks and Assange? Isn't she aware of who they were working for in 2016?



https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211829730

As for her part, Gabbard certainly has her talking points down pat.

"The DNC and the corporate media are trying to hijack the entire election process, so in order to bring attention to this serious threat to our democracy, and to ensure that your voice is heard, I'm seriously considering boycotting the next debate on Oct. 15," she said in a video statement posted to Twitter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/10/tulsi-gabbard-considering-boycotting-october-debate/3928595002/
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thesquanderer

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46. I don't know what CAA is, but I saw today that Storm was from Clinton Foundation
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:48 PM
Oct 2019

I don't think it's surprising that the Clinton camp was unhappy about Gabbard's leaving her DNC position to support Sanders. And that's certainly not an unbiased perspective.

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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
54. There are rampant right wing conspiracy theories, as well as Russia-generarated misinformation
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 07:32 PM
Oct 2019

concerning Strom and Kives who were executive agents at Creative Artist Agency.

Reliance on the gossip gleaned from personal emails stolen by pro-Russia agents, funneled through Wikileaks, and amplified ad infinitum by outlets like The Daily Caller is ill-advised.

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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
47. Where did you get this? Post a source/link please or how are we to know its legitimate?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:47 PM
Oct 2019
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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
48. Email sent to Clinton campaign and John Podesta re correspondence with Tulsi, released by Wikileaks.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:49 PM
Oct 2019
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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
19. Clearly not vsrazdem, I share in your assessment n/t
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:55 PM
Oct 2019
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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
35. Wait...what?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:09 PM
Oct 2019

Secretary Clinton took it very personally and it's been a long-standing issue?

Do you have a source for that claim? Is that something Tulsi told Tucker?

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
38. Well apparently the DNC took it personally, so yes.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019


From: Darnell Strom
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:13 PM
To: Tulsi Gabbard (tulsi.gabbard@gmail.com<mailto:tulsi.gabbard@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Kives
Subject: Disappointed

Representative Gabbard,

We were very disappointed to hear that you would resign your position with the DNC so you could endorse Bernie Sanders, a man who has never been a Democrat before. When we met over dinner a couple of years ago I was so impressed by your intellect, your passion, and commitment to getting things done on behalf of the American people. For you to endorse a man who has spent almost 40 years in public office with very few accomplishments, doesn't fall in line with what we previously thought of you. Hillary Clinton will be our party's nominee and you standing on ceremony to support the sinking Bernie Sanders ship is disrespectful to Hillary Clinton. A woman who has spent the vast majority of her life in public service and working on behalf of women, families, and the underserved.

You have called both myself and Michael Kives before about helping your campaign raise money, we no longer trust your judgement so will not be raising money for your campaign.

Darnell Strom & Michael Kives
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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
40. Where is there any evidence that "the DNC took it personally"?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:40 PM
Oct 2019

You're quoting an email stolen from two executives at a private agency and then leaked by Russian operatives as an October surprise to help elect Trump. What does that have to do with the DNC?

Besides, you claimed that Secretary Clinton took it "very personally", not the DNC.

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Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
42. Unless you have DIRECT PROOF that HRC had ANY residual issues with Tulsi,
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:24 PM
Oct 2019

much less that she took it "very personally, and clearly has not gotten over it.", STOP posting personal opinions as fact. It is unproductive and only serves to be divisive here.

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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
44. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion I'm arguing against.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:32 PM
Oct 2019


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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
29. Just out of curiousity...why did Gabbard assume that the reference was to her?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:23 PM
Oct 2019
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IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
3. When did this become a gender issue?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:45 PM
Oct 2019
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2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
5. That's what I was wondering.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:47 PM
Oct 2019

The bots are out and some of them have names we have seen before. Apparently some have entered the presidential race.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. Because she wants headlines too!
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:47 PM
Oct 2019
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LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
7. And she wants to make it about misogyny?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:47 PM
Oct 2019

Heavensakes it’s Gabbard Who outed herself. She should have just shut up and pretended Hillary wasn’t talking about her.

Now Williamson outed herself.
Both with no chance of winning the Dem primary.

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WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
8. Thanks Marianne
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:49 PM
Oct 2019

There will be a real fight over who will be this cycle’s Jill Stein.
In the running with Tulsky.
Pick wisely you stupid Russian fucks.

Go Joe Go!
Biden - Tru$$ia least favorite candidate

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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
10. You may be a Russian asset
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:53 PM
Oct 2019

If you go to a Howdy Modi rally where tRump turns it into a campaign event.

I believe all three are crooked.

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MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
11. Playing right into the hands of the
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:55 PM
Oct 2019

RWNJ’s. I’m sure they’re the reason both of them are still in the race.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
12. I was saying this all day long yesterday, this whole debate is a nasty can of worms that
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:00 PM
Oct 2019

should have never been opened, it does damage to the party & those who started this infighting should be ashamed of themselves.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
14. Voters needed to be warned about Tulsi .. no one better than Clinton to do it
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:04 PM
Oct 2019

since no one actually running would have been able to.

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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
15. Strange how she thinks it is okay to smear other Democratic politicians like Hillary Clinton.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:05 PM
Oct 2019

But no one can attack Tulsi Gabbard.

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MFM008

(19,816 posts)
20. 2 who need to go
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 03:03 PM
Oct 2019

And make room for the real candidates.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
21. "The Democratic establishment"
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 03:11 PM
Oct 2019

Is that really how the "cool" candidates try to win over voters? Us against the establishmenht? It has become such a boring buzzword and excuse for bad poll numbers.
I know Bernie and Trump used that in 2016 but it's just stupid and poisons the atmosphere.

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LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
22. Wow! The Democratic establishment is doing it?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 03:43 PM
Oct 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. I knew that Williamson was going to be a problem. nt
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 05:58 PM
Oct 2019
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Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
43. She should have stuck to playing with her crystals.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:25 PM
Oct 2019
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Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
27. Umm...
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:18 PM
Oct 2019

... so, in the great Hillary/Tulsi match-up, she sides with... the woman. I had no idea Hillary changed her gender. She still seems like an strong, attractive older woman, to me. Maybe I need glasses?



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28. Thanks
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
Oct 2019

To Marianne for not being afraid to defend Tulsi

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Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
31. Nothing Hillary said was false. nt.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:55 PM
Oct 2019
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Yoopy

(124 posts)
34. Anti vaxxer defends Putin puppet
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:02 PM
Oct 2019

Sounds about right.

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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
36. Did she see it in a seance or a crystal ball? nt
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:10 PM
Oct 2019
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Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
41. "She heard it through the vortex"
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:46 PM
Oct 2019

"Not much longer would she be sane ...
Cuz she heard it through the vortex...

honey, honey, yeah."

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betsuni

(25,538 posts)
45. "Stop smearing women" Tulsi steps down as vice-chair of the DNC (ahem, establishment)
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:01 PM
Oct 2019

to endorse Sanders in 2016 because she believes propaganda smears that Clinton is a warmonger.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
50. She is not being smeared and not being criticized
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

for being a woman, but for the things she said and did, which men could not get away with either. It never helps to play a card where it does not apply.

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