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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,815 posts)Thanks for that info.
And now the new story is that she doesn't control who supports her, a seeming attempt at framing the story away from how she fell for the bait from Hillary Clinton's allegations, which in hindsight, she should have decline comment of.
What's that old adage: "Better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"?
In this case it would be: "Better to be thought an asset than to out one's self and remove all doubt."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)facts of who she has hired and where money has come from
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,082 posts)depends on his awareness of Putins tactics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mrs_p
(3,014 posts)Falling for her?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,815 posts)no mames, of Russian influence in someone's campaign. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your point of view, Gabbard seems to have fallen for the premise and rushed in to deny that she's a Russian asset.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)Hillary said a female candidate and did not say a name. Everyone just came to the conclusion. This is the big difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats will call out another Democrat while Republicans will shelter another Republican no matter how heinous the crime or indiscretion.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,815 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)At this point, they should know what they are falling for so what does that say in reality?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cosmocat
(14,567 posts)She is polling at 1%.
What little support she has is primarily Rs causing havok, other state actors with a spattering of actual Ds.
Can't control that she registers as a D and runs for POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarc
(10,476 posts)They like to chase the latest shiny thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Shes cute, shes a vet, and shes anti-war. I sent one friend articles with background on Tulsi. He withdrew support and is back with Bernie. He is now posting things on FB showing shes a Russian asset (people dont like being fooled). The other friend, who I dont know as well, just posted about the weird cult she belongs to with a comment that he was surprised by all of this.
So, shes lost 2 supporters that I know of.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)If she looked like Betty Friedan, most of the people who are fawning over and defending her wouldn't give her the time of day.
Truth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,303 posts)*******************************************************************************************
In the United States, Mr. Nekrasov has retained the Potomac Square Group, a small public affairs and lobbying firm that has worked for Bahrain, Kuwait and Azerbaijan, among other foreign governments. It is run by Christopher Cooper, a former Wall Street Journal reporter. Mr. Cooper rented the theater in the Newseum and declined to say who was paying his company. Im putting this event together for the director, he said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/world/europe/sergei-magnitsky-russia-vladimir-putin.html?_r=1
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gab13by13
(21,379 posts)giving her all of this publicity, even if it is negative.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
She was irrelevant and marginal until Clinton turned the spotlight on Gabbard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)People like her benefit from working in the shadows and putting on a good show. Hillary destroyed that. From here on, everything Gabbard says and does will be scrutinized differently, as it should be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,464 posts)share of the vote in 2016 than in the previous election. So its important to shine the disinfectant light on them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Once again, Hillary played the bad cop roll so none of the candidates had to. Shes always ready to take one for the team
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Frances
(8,546 posts)Was right to point out that Russia was grooming a female candidate
Hillary did not give a name and there are many femLe candidates
So why did people jump to the conclusion it was Tulsi?
Could it have been because of what Tulsi says?
Thats why I did
Theres a photo of a Jill Stein with Putin and Jill took votes from Hillary
I think a third party candidate helped Bill Clinton
A third party candidate helped George W Bush
Its better to get it out there now that people should examine Tulsi more carefully
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)As I posted elsewhere, it was obvious.
No other candidate had ever had such charges leveled at them before. Anyone who follows this stuff at all knew HRC had to be talking about TG, the only one who has had the Russian claim made about her and plenty of times. Heck, you could probably find it in a hundred DU posts. No such accusation has ever been leveled against Harris, Klobuchar, etc. Anyone who claims that Hillary was being "it could be anyone" vague has their head in the sand.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
reACTIONary
(5,771 posts)... the founder of Convergence Targeted Communication, and late of SKDKnickerbocker. He claims to have worked for Bernie Sanders in the past.
I remember SKDKnickerbocker from researching campaign operatives in the past.
He seems to be, at least nominally, a Democrat. What justification is there for calling him a smear campaigner? Does anyone know any more about him or these firms?
https://convergencetargeted.com/team/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Just because someone is a Democrat doesnt mean they wont take money to run propaganda. Money is tempting to everyone
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,303 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,303 posts)From the Hawaii Free Press:
by Andrew Walden
January 5, 2018
Russia has lots of experience in media censorship. So perhaps it is logical that Rep Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI-2) hires an agent of the Russian government as a consultant to keep Hawaii media under control.
But Gabbards consultant, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Square Group, is no ordinary Russian agent. Cooper is allegedly one of seven identified as being at the center of illegal Russian lobbying efforts reaching into the Trump campaign and Congress.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20879/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russian-Agent-to-Keep-Hawaii-Media-in-Check.aspx
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Chris is a former journalist and founder of The Potomac Square Group, an independent consultancy that provides public affairs and government relations counsel, assistance with grassroots development and bespoke investigative services. Past and current clients include Fortune 100 corporations, foreign governments, trade associations, overseas political candidates and NGOs.
Chris previously worked as a senior vice president in the Washington office of Rasky Baerlein Strategic, a Boston-based public affairs and lobbying agency. While at Rasky Baerlein, Chris provided lobbying and communications services and public affairs advice to clients in Washington, D.C., across the country and internationally. His clients have included the worlds largest energy company, private equity funds, several foreign governments, an aerospace concern and a banking trade association that included more than 100 member corporations.
Prior to joining Rasky Baerlein, Chris spent more than 20 years as a newspaper reporter, namely at The Wall Street Journal. During his 11 years at the Journal, Chris reported from more than 50 countries, covering business activities, foreign affairs and general news.
Chris worked for 3½ years as a London-based roving correspondent for the Journal, covering Continental Europe and the Middle East. Domestically, Chris reported on national politics and US agencies, including the Pentagon, the Department of State and the White House. In 2008 he covered the US presidential election, ultimately serving as the papers lead correspondent on Barack Obamas campaign.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-cooper-55952518
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
reACTIONary
(5,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FakeNoose
(32,705 posts)I believe the Democratic Party has a responsibility to deny or rescind Tulsi Gabbard's candidacy, if ANY of this is true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boomer
(4,168 posts)Gabbard was polling so low that she obviously was not going to win anything, or even exert any influence over the primaries. Her threat to flounce from the primaries was ludicrous; no one would have cared. But now, with these accusations from Clinton, Gabbard is getting more publicity than her campaign could pay for. The very fact that Clinton -- who so many people irrationally hate -- is dumping on Gabbard will get her supporters. The best possible strategy was simply to ignore Gabbard and watch her faded away, but now she has legs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boomer
(4,168 posts)What I see is that Gabbard is getting more publicity than she could otherwise muster and she's now in a perfect position to cast herself as a warrior speaking truth to power, fighting against the entrenched Democratic establishment. I've seen signs of this among people I discuss politics with, who seem to see something in her that I've missed. I really don't get the appeal, but I think this will end up helping her more than hurting her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And if her name comes up again, it will always have the issue of Russian support for her will always be attached to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boomer
(4,168 posts)We'll see soon enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)they should have just let her campaign run its coarse and move on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
reACTIONary
(5,771 posts)... Prompt a third party run.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
panfluteman
(2,065 posts)And that Tulsi Gabbard has hired one of their ilk to work on her campaign. They're like an opportunistic infection on our body politic - and a very pernicious one at that. This is just one more reason why it would be far better to impeach Trump now, so that he is immediately taken out of the 2020 race. The clear and present danger that Trump poses to our democracy is just too great to do otherwise. With this many Democratic candidates in the race, Trump and the Russians are having a field day slicing and dicing up the Democratic field, sowing chaos and division, in order to weaken the Democratic brand overall. Maybe Hillary had a stroke of genius - let's face it, she IS a genius - to throw out the anonymous bait, so Tulsi would take it.
One of the posters in this thread mentioned a CULT - which I kind of suspected at the last debate, the way she bandied about the term "regime change wars", suggesting that it had some kind of special significance within her particular brand of anti-war ideology. Can anyone enlighten me on this cult aspect?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)politicians in American history, are regularly second-guessed here as bumblers who don't have a clue what they're doing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr. Evil
(2,853 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
58Sunliner
(4,390 posts)If this is true, we need a campaign to out her completely. What she might be doing with foreign govt. support is illegal. Vote for Tulsi of Trump, both hacked by Russia.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)This is just my opinion. I do not waste my time elevating or lighting a flame for the primary prospects of candidates polling at the bottom of the barrel. "Engage Radio Silence"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BernieBabies
(78 posts)What else has she DONE that ties her to Russia?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gordianot
(15,242 posts)Conditioning for veterans service is absolute as fall back excuse. The real marks Fundies and Evangelicals who eat lies for breakfast are the target audience for the trolls.
As Jesus is said to have charged his executioners They do not know what they are doing. Actually that seems to be a common problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,082 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Read her responses carefully. She's repeatedly asked if she disavows them and just repeats the same formulation. Nobody thinks she controls the bots but that's the only thing she denies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,082 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nitram
(22,845 posts)I think Democrats should be careful and wary around her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PunkinPi
(4,875 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,484 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden