candidates to that piece of crap Trump.

Trip Gabriel, the NY Times columnist describes Klobuchar's comment this way:

"In an interview on Saturday, Ms. Klobuchar drew an even sharper bead on Ms. Warren, comparing her avoidance of how to pay for “Medicare for all” with Mr. Trump’s habitual shirking of the truth."

This attribution was attached to this quote from Senator Klobuchar:
“You’ve got a president that lies and doesn’t tell the truth, and I think it puts it on us to say, hey, there’s a different kind of president here where we’re going to be honest with you, look you in the eye, tell you the truth”.

To my ear, on encountering her statement, she (Amy) is saying that the POS POTUS's behavior makes plain speaking an imperative for 'us' (his opponents in the race). And she is asserting that she's stepping up to that task. I actually don't see that as putting Warren on an equal footing with the POS. This seems to me to be journalistic antagonism.

Also - it's the NY Times and their placing the Clinton No Email Shenanigans on the 16th page tells me they are going to try and play us again.

Neither Warren nor Klobuchar agree with Gabbard so I'm good with either one of them.

"bothsiderisms" AGAIN, while I take it that she was saying we need to set an example based on the behavior of the republicans.

trump is a liar and a fraud. Kloubacher didn't even IMPLY THAT.

Simple that we need more specifics

I have been disappointed in NY times for some time now.

When they said it was the "hubris" of President Obama and the Democrats that caused the republicans to reject climate change for instance.

When they said the Democrats and the republicans on the FEC refused to compromise, when the fact was it was the republicans on that committee that refused to work together, NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

Of course their LIE that the email investigation had been reopened after Comey released the letter to the republicans in Congress 11 days before for the election. That was a completely untrue statement. The email investigation had NOT been reopened. They weren't the only media outlet on that one.

I could go on, but the one that should haunt them forever is the false Judy Miller reporting of the WMDs which was the catalyst for our invasion of Iraq

It's irritating how easily people are taking the bait

fell from my top three ... and she won't be climbing back up.

Big fail, IMO.

A FELLOW DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.

And if you listen carefully, you can find Warren being disingenuous fairly often, so Amy has put her finger on a weakness. Comparing her to Trump is quite a leap though.

on the most complex issue Democrats are facing this cycle.

Buttigieg with Chris Wallace Sunday and still no plans. Asked about appeal to black voters. Working on a plan. Asked about the corrupt $5600 donator working with campaign, We took care of that. If I'd been Chris, I'd be asking about the plan? Those who live in glass houses, ...

I think she said our candidates are going to be different than Trump.

I was surprised at how it was "framed" by the NYT writer - well, not "surprised" - more like disappointed......

I am rather agnostic on Elizabeth Warren, but she had multiple opportunities to address the issue of how Medicare for all will be paid for during the last debate. She avioded giving a straight answer each time.

once the funding mechanism is accounted for. For that she deserves to be called Trumpian?

But she is so clear about her plans and so able to explain things..until this. She needs to tell us how she plans to pay for it,

Like I said, I am agnostic about Senator Warren. I will gladly vote for her if she is the nominee. But I want her to be honest about this.

Before the Nov. 20 debate, and after which Pete and Amy will have to come up with some new material.

IMO, it was disingenuous of those candidates demanding a sound bite answer for something so complex.

Warren took the hits rather than give short shrift to the American people.

And soon she’ll carve out the more opportune place and time to address more Americans and educate them about her intentions for universal health care.

Shame on those choosing to disingenuously attack her integrity this way. They outed their own poor character by trying to attack hers.

to ever run for President, with the best chance we've ever had to break the "glass ceiling." Good for Elizabeth... good for our country!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

And then treason happened.

No need for constant hyperbole.

I suspect there were some talking points circulated among our more "moderate" candidates...

NT

I’m not a fan of Warren’s medicare for all but it’s not hard to just say the funding is unclear and is a risky sell to voters in the general.

Or whatever Klobuchar’s reasons are. There’s no need to attack a democratic candidate by calling them dishonest or comparing them to trump.

I don’t think Warren is dishonest. I think she underestimated the difficulty in explaining away losing work insurance and a tax increase even if eventually everyone comes out ahead.

The relentless campaign and lack of sleep might have gotten to her.

Klobuchar will throw more spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, unfortunately. I don’t think it will turn the ship around. It makes me rethink the nice things I’ve said about her and jumping to her defense. I’m not alone.

And she’ll eventually criticize the candidates that others prefer before the primary is wrapped up.

I’m ok with that in a primary. If it becomes a theme I will have a problem.

I hope people can see how this is being placed on a tee for Warren. She has the opportunity to do what other single payer candidates running are too squeamish to do... actually put forward a comprehensive single payer plan.

Don’t get worried about the shots Warren is taking. It’s building anticipation and I personally think she is the right leader to move on this.

Even better when you change “shits” to “shots.”

And I actually read it twice before posting.

This sort of sniping should be beneath Amy. Sorry to see it.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/10/20/iowa-caucuses-2020-elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-plan-costs-taxes/4046732002/

Proposing to drastically change 20 % of the economy without even running the numbers is not a good thing to do. I'm actually surprised Elisabeth Warren who is known for having a plan for virtually everything did not flesh out the MFA with more details,like how she funds it.

Klobuchar is desperate. Her burn rate is unsustainable and if her fundraising is not picking up then she may be angling for a VP spot with this barb.

Because it is certain that if Biden becomes the nominee he will select a female VP.

When he was planning a 2016 run he wanted Warren as a running mate.

Somebody wasn't telling the truth there and there was more than one accuser. How about Joe, who according to Politifact has told numerous falsehoods? Are we going to find out the truth about the Pete-Zuckerberg relationship? I don't know but I guarantee you they all have deflected, misstated or shaded the truth on many occassions. Comparing Warren to rump in any way is disqualifying. Bye Amy.

When we start attacking each other this early, it just advances ’pootin’s’ objectives.

I support warren. But I’ll never degrade Amy. i may disagree with her positions but she is still a strong democrat.

Tulsi on the other hand... (I don’t think she’s a true democrat)

...as a Democrat since 2013.

She said that she won’t leave the party.

Saying she’s not a “true Democrat” so it’s OK to degrade he is like the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

I shall continue to observe the proceedings and remain quiet on this particular subject until further facts are available.

lost any remaining respect I had nt.

“You’ve got a president that lies and doesn’t tell the truth, and I think it puts it on us to say, hey, there’s a different kind of president here where we’re going to be honest with you, look you in the eye, tell you the truth,” Ms. Klobuchar said.

Not reading the "behind the paywall" article, is this the accurate quote?

If so, why would anyone here ASSUME (like the article by an opinion writer does) that this is aimed at EW? Is EW being dishonest about how she is going to pay for M4A? Has she ever even committed to how she is going to pay for it? Why doesn't everyone wait for her to release her plan on this?

And why wouldn't we want to contrast our nominee (whoever it is) with Trump about honesty?

I guess the reporter had mentioned Elizabeth Warren before Amy Klobuchar said that.

Amy Klobuchar, to Donald Trump... that statement had nothing to do with Warren. I listened to the interview she had with Rachel Maddow last night *just now on Rachel's podcast* and she acknowledged that Warren said she would be coming out with her plan soon and that she thinks that is good and then talked about how important it was to show how you will pay for things and that Trump passing a tax cut for wealthy that "added trillions of dollars to the debt" and then crowed about it to his rich friends "I just made you a lot richer"-- that will be a valuable contrast in the campaign.

Her choice is the public option that was originally billed as being part of the ACA and building on that legislation rather than MFA. She said there is no monopoly on good ideas and that she has worked with progressive politicians like Bernie. And she said "I certainly respect my colleagues." These are all actual words she said and not a summary.

Personally, I don't believe that they have the same voters. Today's Progressives will find Amy as being not bold enough for structural change and may even accuse her of being "neoliberal." Today's Moderates will find her message compelling and her stability reassuring.

Of all the candidates we have right now my wife doesn't like Amy the most.

it was an appeal.