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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FarPoint
(12,426 posts)With Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)She was never one of my top choices, but I thought she was one of the better candidates. But after her tweet in response to Hillary, her ledger tilted too far to the negative column for me. I thought Hillary's comments were bad, but TG's response was almost psychotic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)As for me I believe the military coup in Honduras was psychotic for one.
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Many governments, media, and human-rights organisations outside Honduras have termed the ouster a coup.[38] The United Nations, the Organization of American States (OAS),[39] and the European Union condemned the removal of Zelaya as a military coup. On 5 July 2009, the Organization of American States OAS, invoking for the first time Article 21 of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, voted by acclamation of all member states to suspend Honduras from the organisation.[40]
Soon after the coup, U.S. President Barack Obama stated: "We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there."[41] He stated: "It would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards into the era in which we are seeing military coups as a means of political transition, rather than democratic elections."[41] Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, however, equivocated, saying that "We do think that this has evolved into a coup" and noting that under U.S. law, officially declaring a coup would oblige the U.S. to cut off most foreign aid to Honduras."[41][42] Cutting off aid was seen as a possibility in the days after the coup,[42] and State Department Director of Policy Planning Anne-Marie Slaughter urged Clinton to "take bold action" and to "find that [the] coup was a 'military coup' under U.S. law."[43] Nevertheless, Clinton did not do so, and the U.S. never formally declared that a coup had occurred.[41] By November 2009, the U.S. "focused on pushing for elections" in the country.[44] In September 2009, the Board of the U.S. Millennium Challenge Corporation, headed by Clinton, cut off $11 million in aid to the Honduran government in the wake of the coup, and suspended another $4 million in planned contributions to a road project.[45] From 2009 to mid-2016, however, the U.S. provided about $200 million in military and police aid to Honduras, a controversial decision given the violence in Honduras and the government's human rights violations.[46]
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As of 2014 the coup had weakened democratic institutions such, that along with corruption and police impunity, state security forces persecuted coup opponents, campesinos, indigenous protesters and others, and the crime rate increased massively. In this context more than 13,000 Honduran children crossed U.S. borders from October 2013 until May 2014, a 1272% increase compared to 2009.[116]
That same year, Senate Armed Services Committee Chair Carl Levin asked the U.S. Defense Department Office of the Inspector General to investigate charges that the William Perry Center for Hemispheric Defense Studies , the educational arm of U.S. Southern Command located at the National Defense University in Washington, D.C., had actively promoted the coup declared illegal by President Obama but remained unpunished.[117]
Following the coup trends of decreasing poverty and extreme poverty were reversed. The nation saw a poverty increase of 13.2 percent and in extreme poverty of 26.3 percent in just 3 years.[118] Furthermore, unemployment grew between 2008 and 2012 from 6.8 percent to 14.1 percent.[118]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)Notice that neither NBC or the NYT any of the other major outlets that have reported on Russian support of Gabbard have retracted any of the stories.
And new Knowledge did not get busted creating "Russian bots". What actually happened was the CEO of New Knowledge created a faux-Facebook page targeting conservatives during the Alabama senate race. To say he was the creator of the Russian bots supporting Trump and Tulsi is a complete falsehood, pushed by RT and FOX, which I'm surprised to be reading here on DU.
According to the CEO, it was a minor experiment -- spent a total of $10 on it -- to see how disinformation campaigns work. I would agree that it is unethical to perform such an experiment (and the CEO has since acknowledged that), regardless of how minor, on a live election. But regardless, in no way does it even slightly prove that the evidence of Russian bots supporting Trump and Tulsi, either from New Knowledge or from anywhere else, is "fabricated."
I mean, if you want to see what Russia thinks about Tulsi, just watch RT for about 5 minutes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nini
(16,672 posts)She's not worthy of being on the stage with other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)In general I haven't paid her too much attention because even at a distance and at best she's 5th or 6th on my list, based on her chance to get the nomination and her policies.
I probably would vote for her in the general though if it came to that, but don't see it.
Bryant
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)She is at best, inconsistent.
At the debate she opined about "deplorables" and how she wants to being everyone together, a champion for all.
Then in the next breath she whines, plays victim, and attacks Democrats.
Not who she appears to be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
applegrove
(118,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)What's happening in that country is obscene. And that the House of Saud is fucking evil.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pintobean
(18,101 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden