after our candidate whomever it is...wins. We could get slammed in fundraising...

win...don't give two shits about this. You can't end United until you can pass a constitutional amendment as SCOTUS ruled on this and in the meantime we still need money.

itself to get it out of the way of whatever they want. Which is almost always. You couldn't trust that sort to turn off the gas valve after an earthquake for fear it might conflict with some immutable principle.

Or not to help Republicans against the Democrats who LW extremists always consider the nation's biggest problem.

chairs. They demand power without earning it at the ballot box. Of course, I suspect that many engaged in this activity are not Democrats but Green Party types..they cost us elections and enable Republicans. Greens suck!

If they weren't worried about getting mud thrown at them, I'm pretty sure many extremist idiots would be bragging about defeating Democrats in 2016 just as Putin is.

Different goals, of course, but the path for all is over the dead body of the Democratic Party that elected Obama twice and then Hillary.

Nice!

and perhaps going negative, and marshalling every resource available in the GE. I don't knock VP Biden for kicks, however I see this as a significant misstep.

but he may end up losing some.

Of their supporters, be it Biden or someone else.

when they appear to go back on their word. True most people won't care, but some will. Bernie lost some for endorsing Hillary last time. Those voters went to Jill Stein and this year a lot of them are for Tulsi.

Not sure if moderates who are unhappy with this move would have a second choice, but if so then it stands to reason that some whose main criteria isn't solely backing the apparent leader will switch to that second choice.

And on the other hand, I don't know that there are any whose only problem with Biden was that he wasn't taking super pac money. If there were then he'd be able to pick up votes there.

If he wins the nomination it will be used against him. Another unforced error.

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evolve like a ...

oh my.

What this means, and what Biden meant, and what you pretend to not understand, is to end Citizens United FOR EVERYBODY! It doesn't mean to disarm Joe Biden unilaterally in the face of Citizens United and send him out to fight Trump with both his hands tied behind his back. Or, using another idiom, it doesn't mean he is duty bound to bring a fork to a gun fight. That would be just plain stupid.

On edit: you beat me to it, dem4decades!

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Are you taking Biden's word over that of Bernie's campaign manager? Do you trust Biden's recollection of the event but not Bernie's? Ok, we disagree. I don't think Biden deserves your complete confidence in the accuracy of his account at the expense of Bernie's but I respect your opinion.

Which is somewhat surprising given Joe's political acumen.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

My question is about Biden's recollection. And since Bernie's campaign manager has reported a conflicting recollection of the same event, I question his recollection as well. You seem to trust Biden's recollection 100%, and Bernie's recollection 0%.

I am sorry, but your low opinion of Sanders' honesty doesn't create an obligation on the part of Biden to disqualify himself.

But deflection noted.



Biden's words are Biden's words.

It's hard to misinterpret Biden's own words to Judy Woodruff:

to be a deflection?

Haven't you read any of my responses? I take no issue with Judy Woodruff, so enough of that canard! My issue is the stark contrast in Biden's and Sanders' respective recollections of the same event. And you stubbornly refuse to address this point, as if by repeating the same post four times, you are expecting a different response. I assure you, my response will not change, and I will stand by my assertion: since we have contrasting accounts of the same event, I am giving both parties (Biden and Sanders) my benefit of doubt. If you wish to favor Biden's recollection at the expense of Sanders', that's your business.

It's that simple.

And embarrassing.

He's running against other Dems now, and breaking the social contact with other Dems. Does not inspire any kind of faith in him.

The question is, since when is Sanders running Biden's primary? And why should Biden not think of the General Election?

Super Pacs can receive UNLIMITED donations from rich individual donors and corporations.

Good for them!

Unfortunately good progressive/liberal pacs are a necessary evil until Citizens United is overturned. We are not going to unilaterally disarm ourselves.

I do think it is important to point out the differences between a PAC like Our Revolution and Super Pacs.

Some people might think the two are the same, and they are not. They are VASTLY different.

I think they do good work and sadly “Good liberal/progressive PACs” are needed until Citizens United is overturned

I understand you believe you are protecting Senator Warren but I don’t think this is helping her.

Until Citizens United is repealed progressive liberal PACs are a necessary evil.

I do think it is important to point out the differences between a PAC like Our Revolution and Super Pacs.

Some people might think the two are the same, and they are not. They are VASTLY different.

Unilateral disarming is for the fools.

It may be unfortunate but that’s reality..

I never did and most people don't.

But she’s working hard to do better next time and I have full confidence she’ll come back strong.

In the meantime these OTT DU attacks on her rivals don’t help her at all. There’s just a small handful of Warren supporters engaging in this hyperbolic stuff, and they aren’t doing Senator Warren any favors.

Undecided here but Warren is in my top three

Good for Joe.

Makes sense from his perspective. Not from mine. Forty plus years of hearing this logic has left me pining for results.

"Biden for President has not and will not welcome the help of super PACs. That goes for those that purport to help him, despite his explicit condemnation of their existence."
-T.J. Ducklo, Biden Campaign Spokesman. September 2g, 2019

Good? Is this a preview of a Biden Administration? Promises out the window when the pedal meets the metal. Necessary maybe, but not good.

They are a tool and at the moment one we can leverage. Swearing off them was a bad choice.

Will you support him when it happens?

because it certainly does.

Any candidate who does not use a super pac will be beaten by trump. I have no issues at all with Joe Biden using a super pac