Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumIf Obama could change his mind about Super PACs, so can Biden
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2012/02/07/obama-and-super-pacs-in-the-2012-election/My own view is that his change in posture toward the role of super PACs on his side of the aisle, while truly regrettable, was inevitable given the lack of any progress on the underlying problems. The acknowledged costs of making this shift are outweighed by the benefits of covering the risk of being blown away (along with Democrats in Congress) by truly massive independent spending campaigns financed by conservative billionaires and aggrieved financial services executives. The ugly arms race on campaign finance is unlikely to be ended through unilateral disarmament, especially if it puts in power politicians committed to a complete deregulation of money in politics.
Changing course on campaign finance law and practice will require new justices on the Supreme Court, strong appointments to the FEC, increased support for reform in Congress, and a president willing to advocate for and sign remedial legislation. First things first.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/obamas-super-pac-flip-flop
The presidents apparent about-face from condemning the corrosive influence of money in politics in the State of the Union to his campaigns announcement that it will do what [it] can, consistent with the law, to support Priorities USA provided plenty of fodder for critics. But its not surprising. In 2008, Obama reversed course, too he first planned to participate in the presidential public financing program, but later eschewed it when it became clear he could raise more money outside the system.
The reality in 2012 is that no candidate with a serious chance of winning can afford, in the words of Obama for America campaign manager Jim Messina, to unilaterally disarm. The campaign fundraising arms race this election cycle, like it or not, involves Super PACs. Theyve already dumped $40 million of slash-and-burn attack ads into the Republican presidential primaries. Karl Roves Super PAC alone, working with a related non-profit group, raised $51 million last year.
However disappointing it was to campaign reform advocates, the only surprise about the Obama campaigns decision to play by the same rules is that it waited this long to make the announcement. Any campaign that doesnt take advantage of the rules that permit super spending by Super PACs doesnt stand a chance.
Emphasis added.
Trump's raising an enormous amount of money.
We have to beat him. And almost all the polling so far shows that Biden has the best chance of doing that. Even the few polls showing Warren leading also show, if there are questions about electability, that more Democrats think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump than think Warren has the best chance.
The lengths Trump has gone to, trying to guarantee anyone but Biden is the Democratic nominee, indicate his own polling shows Biden will beat him.
Until we actually have real campaign finance reform -- which Biden supports -- I don't want to see any of our candidates in favor of unilateral disarmament.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Until money is taken out of political campaigns. you have to have it to compete. Go Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)This opens the door on a negative campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,998 posts)waging against Biden already? Along with the RNC, Trump's campaign made a $10 million ad buy attacking Biden with dishonest ads. And that's on top of all the RW media attacks, all the tweets, and all the strong-arming of Ukraine to try to get them to make up dirt on the Bidens.
They're doing their best to smear Biden in the hope that Warren or another candidate with less chance of beating Trump will be the nominee. They're not afraid of Warren, or not nearly as afraid of her as they are of Biden.
It would be sheer idiocy for the Biden campaign to act as though they aren't already facing attacks from Trump and the RNC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I was referring to a negative campaign against Democratic competitors. As a Super Pac must kept at arms length, by law, they are free to go as negative as they want.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,998 posts)In the meantime, Trump is waging a political war against Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Teach-only-love
(73 posts)him defending himself in ads against Trump. But this is provided not a penny is used against his Democratic rivals. This includes organizing his ground game. I like him because, at the present time, he is strongest against Trump, but a PAC for him against other Democrats will lose me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boomer_wv
(673 posts)In this campaign Biden has been called a pedophile, a rapist, a racist, corrupt, and a traitor.
I think that door has already been opened.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Teach-only-love
(73 posts)after all, we know Trump is taking it. But do not take in our primary if none of our other candidates are taking it. Especially since Biden stated policy is he could not be bought by special interest PAC's. Once he is our nominee it no longer is a problem. But if he is the only one of our candidates to take it during the primaries, then it is a big problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,998 posts)Biden is the nominee, because he's terrified of Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)argument you put forth to support Bidens recent decision on behalf of his campaign.
Candidates re-evaluate positions as exigencies arise, whether of a logistical or political nature.
PS Trumps folks do do their own polling as you said. They also test their counter-offensives strength against Dem candidates. They figured they had to go with an impeachable act to undermine Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,282 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,282 posts)he's going to need money!
Link to tweet
Mahalo, hpd!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,282 posts)true!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,537 posts)In my opinion. Republicans are the corrupt ones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,282 posts)to heart of the matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Now Biden's a "flip-flopper." He promised!!! Is everybody six years old?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Oh they really smell blood in the water now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,830 posts)Yes, we're all suppose to running around as if our hair is on fire because Joe Biden changed his mind while a demented conman sits in the White House planning the demise of the Republic.
Makes so much sense. If we've decided national suicide is a good thing, that is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...still accepted help from Super PACs like other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raven123
(4,844 posts)I struggle with what I read in other posts on this topic here at DU - one in which he advised Bernie about avoiding PACs to maintain credibility and another identifying his aversion to PACs on principle.
Why make such statements and NOW decide that the moral high ground must wait another day. He MUST have known he would need for large amount of money.
It just mystifies me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)other candidates are not feared by Trump so they don't have to use campaign funds to defend themselves against his venom. Got it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,282 posts)I wasn't even thinking about THAT!!!
Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)that will work well with independent and swing voters. But to eliminate Biden, so he can run against another top tier, he has had to go to extreme lengths.
He did. He continues.
It is Biden who bears the brunt of the actions of a lawless, but empowered president who has a host of sycophants in his service and can exert influence in far flung corners of the globe to
bring down Biden.
To prove the point that Biden is beset by incoming from more than one source, as he tries now to
raise his own arms against Trump, i.e. financial resources, rival supporters criticize him. The press
will not be far behind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,830 posts)It's one of the perils of being a frontrunner but it's also a product of Trump's particular obsession with Biden, the fear that Bradley spoke to the other night on O'Donnell's program. And that's likely a spill over from Trump's obsession with all things Obama related. The fact that Biden is beating Trump in every head-to-head poll, appeals to the same working class voter that Trump claims he and he alone possesses leaves him wide open to a humiliating loss. The lengths to which he was willing to go to bring Biden down is incredible when you look at the Ukraine evidence unfolding.
So yes, the attacks have been unrelenting and to Trump's chagrin, Joe Biden is still standing. That in and of itself is a testament to Biden's strength and durability. Strengthened by fire, as they say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)So yes, the attacks have been unrelenting and to Trump's chagrin, Joe Biden is still standing. That in and of itself is a testament to Biden's strength and durability. Strengthened by fire, as they say. (PeggySue2)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)You're telling me he got into this race no expecting that he'd have to defend himself against lies?
That's nonsense.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)I care about exactly ONE THING. Trump out. Full stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)least 40 years now. The question that rattles around in my head is at what point do results finally matter? Forty years is not that far from a lifetime when you consider political cognizance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden