who can remember McGovern and Dukakis.

Not so 30 years ago

The man was utterly tone deaf. But he was not a leftie then or now. I don't know about you but I remember his run very well.

Lloyd Bentsen provided the only highlight. I also remember this:

But he was also very liberal.

Btw I’ve only ever heard right wingers use the term leftie. Interesting.

Thanks for the thread JoeOtterbein.

Run to the base to get nominated, then run to the center to get elected. If either EW or BS gets the nomination, they will have quite a hike to get back to the center, and they risk disheartening their base to do that.

President Obama ran to the left of Hillary in 2008, eventhough there was not a lot different between them. His base stayed with him, even as he ran the General as more of a moderate.

I don't see any evidence that moderate Democrats are terrified. It makes me wonder if your daughter has lost her objectivity.

the more giveaways candidates like warren and sanders throw out there, the less likely they gain any footing with the center of the democratic party. Too many of their supporters live in the "coastal bubble"

I know what Title I funding is. What makes the funding so called?

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we just have to focus on getting that 53% to the polls at voting time.

LOL Larry Sabato is an expert on this issue

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I understand how polling works, I just don't care about the opinions of Republicans in those polls. That they think Democrats are too liberal or progressive is a joke AFAIC.

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I did not expect it to be that high

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I'm not buying it. The establishment has been effective in moving the Overton Window to the right over the last 4+decades. Its time we move back to where the people actually are and that it substantially to the left.

...in office and more "progressive" Democrats?

Most people are actually centrist.

That's all I had to see.

Dukakis , Gore , Kerry, Hillary ………..Bernie Sanders turned a state that had always Voted Republican into one of the Bluest States in the Union .……… Say it Loud , Say it Proud : We're the Party of the Working Class...…. Deliver for them and they'll Deliver for You ……….

not so many years ago when Hillary was considered a leftist.

"Once she became First Lady ... the male pundits of America clung to their nuts for dear life as they fobbed one verbal projectile after the next at her. Even before her husband's inauguration, the neocons on The McLaughlin Group acted as if she were Rasputin in drag, who would do things like hypnotize Bill into appointing 'a bunch of wacko leftists to the Supreme Court instead of 'decent people.'"*

She was considered a radical feminist leftist. How this history was erased will never cease to amaze me.

*Susan J. Douglas, "Where the Girls Are, Growing Up Female with the Mass Media

Bland? Not according to Democrats and the general population.

No way he's winning in center-left America!

Face it, it's Biden Time!

...into one of the Bluest States in the Union."

Are you serious? First, Patrick Leahy was in the Senate for 16 years before Sanders was elected to the House, doesn't he get any "credit" (since we're handing out accolades) for Vermont being sort of "one of the Bluest States in the Union" (but not quite)? Sanders replaced an Independent Senator, not a republican, when he was elected to the Senate in 2006.

The Governorship has been flipping back and forth between Democrats and republicans going back to 1963 and is now a republican, there haven't been two consecutive Democrats or republicans since then, more than 50 years ago.

So much for Vermont "always voted republican".

PLUS, Sanders has NEVER held public office as a Democrat.

If you want to see a truly blue state, look at Connecticut - for the last 9 years we've had a Democratic Governor (and will for 12 years), two Democratic Senators for the last 31 years, and all FIVE of our Representatives have been Democrats for 12 years and four of five for a decade before that. And all of our state-wide office holders (Governor, Lt. Governor, Atty General, Comptroller, Treasurer, Secretary of the State) have been Democrats for a decade, too.

Greatest, best, biggest... sound familiar?

A deep-blue state’s failure to enact a single-payer system shows why a national version is unlikely to succeed. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/opinion/bernie-sanders-single-payer.html

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the dreadful tragedy of 2016 at this point, why aren't you?

One thing you can be sure of: Although some millions of Democratic liberals voted for Sanders in the primary, they all voted for Hillary in the GE, 60 million of us. We are not the ones responsible for the kidnapping of babies and children too young to understand and holding them neglected and terrified in prison.

Everyone ELSE is. And we all know it'll be much, much worse if Trump and the Repubs are reelected. Massive election theft solidifying their control. More atrocities -- against citizens not just helpless noncitizens. Of course, goodbye ACA and MfA, advances in civil rights, labor laws, affordable college, fighting climate chance.

It's scary-obvious that too many people haven't learned anything at all, Joe, and it seems to me you should be terrified they'll do it all over again too. Not imagining only others should be.

I don't see any in the piece.

This worries me:

that many. I suspect all the "moderates" are drifting leftward so as not to be left behind.

Bunch of Baloney.

worried.

I’m thinking there’s a lot of people attracted to Biden. I’ll take Warren over Bernie Sanders though.

Is losing to Donald Trump and his enablers in 2020. Because that would be catastrophic, not simply for the Democratic Party but for our already melting democratic Republic. It's also the reason the unpopular 'electability quotient' has gathered so much steam with the electorate. Choosing the best candidate with the highest electability quotient to beat the Squatter-in-Chief is the only thing that matters for 2020.

Or, we can kiss the whole enchilada good-bye and sustain ourselves on grand stances and promises that were smothered in their crib, a small comfort that I guarantee will be very short-lived.

It's Biden Time! Joe's gonna beat Trump like a drum

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the Dem party.

A lot of the policies that Sanders and Warren are espousing are losers. MFA being one. Warren is especially weak in the rust belt and with POC.

who gets targeted as being too unpopular?

OK.

And when I say the rightest wing I am referring to the handful of loudmouth, stringpulling Wall St Dems who find ways to generate horseshit articles like this one.

I was addressing the constant charge that Warren is unpopular in the Midwest and with people of color, yet there are many candidates with lower numbers who are not accused of being unpopular as much as Warren.

It's just a few newspaper columnists looking for something to write about.

Did I scare you?

"...has terrified moderate Democrats, who worry that a race to the left will damage the party’s chances of defeating President Donald Trump — even as it electrifies the base."

...moderates have nothing to fear, but fear itself...

...look, this is a golden opportunity for the Democrats to lead our nation well into the future with bold new ideas...whether a conservative Dem, moderate or Progressive, trump will smear our candidate equally the same with his Commie tweets, fabrications and lies...we should accept this as a given...

...we need to counter by showing our nation how to get to a brighter future with our real problems democratically solved, something the republicans will never do..can't do...

...if we keep our shoulder to the grind stone, follow ever avenue and opportunity to pursue trump and republican criminals, layout an impeccably solid case for impeachment and removal, we should be able to beat trump running a rock in 2020...

...think bigger, moderates...Bernie can do it...We can do it

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"Moderate" and "terrified" don't even go together.

but extremely anxious at the thought of millions staying home when given the choice of Rump or someone called any kind of Socialist.

Even worse, if Rump is deposed somehow and does not run next year, how would Sanders or Warren run against Romney? Or Kasich? Weld?

Really want a woman in the White House? I hear Nikki Haley is chomping at the bit.

K&R

I get it... tomorrow's Halloween. So instead of the usual unsupported chum to throw at the wall hoping it sticks, we're gonna throw unusual (yet still unsupported) chum at the wall instead, hoping it sticks.

That's the great thing about editorials, no objective evidence required. One can write that 2+2=22, then simply cite it as an opinion to more efficiently avoid providing any relevant or objective evidence to support the premise of the piece.

But sure... I'll pretend Democrats are terrified. It's Halloween... I'll also pretend zombies are chemists, vampires write novellas and skeletons have no skin in the game.

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