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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:58 AM Oct 2019

Again this morning on MSNBC...someone promoted the meme on Biden

"that there is no enthusiasm" I felt like saying, "deny the facts if you must ,but there is a solid base to the Biden campaign that anyone left or right would want". That is why he is always in the lead for the most part...... and pretty far ahead..

I think everyone is pretty enthusiastic about who they are supporting. It really does grind their gears though (some in the media), that VP Biden cannot be stopped. Even the Trump has been kneecapped by Biden.






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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PatSeg

(47,539 posts)
1. The MSM lives in a bubble
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:02 AM
Oct 2019

that they created. You have to take whatever they say with a grain of salt. A lot of the time the pundits are flat out wrong, but people still listen to them.

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still_one

(92,278 posts)
3. They are doing the same thing they did to Hillary, and for those that feel this is just politics
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:13 AM
Oct 2019

i would like to remind people they have a pattern of doing this superficial bullshit, and you can almost bank on it that our other candidates have and will be recipients of this also



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PatSeg

(47,539 posts)
15. Yep
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:50 AM
Oct 2019

Creating controversy where none exists, sensationalizing the mundane, and ignoring many very real stories of consequence. Also, after 9/11, they started over using the "Breaking News" banner. Now a normal news story is "Breaking News". They've gotten lazy, redundant, and predictable.

Of course, there are exceptions, but not nearly enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
2. They know that Biden's supporters are enthusiastic which is why they are trying to say the opposite
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:03 AM
Oct 2019

in an attempt to curb our enthusiasm. They have been using this strategy for months yet their desired effect has not materialized and never will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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snowybirdie

(5,231 posts)
4. I watch MSNBC
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:17 AM
Oct 2019

all the time, but think it's time to bring in new commentators. Think viewers need a fresh perspective on whats going on in DC and the nation. Eugene, Chuck and Barbara and Joyce and the myriad Post and Times reporters are beginning to repeat themselves. How about bringing informed people from news outlets around the country to inform viewers? At least once in a while.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PatSeg

(47,539 posts)
16. I do like that MSNBC
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:57 AM
Oct 2019

does bring in real experts though. Former states attorneys, prosecutors, state department officials, CIA, and FBI. They tend to be very informative, much more so than the mainstream pundits that often dominate the news. Also, they bring on people involved in Watergate, which is very helpful.

I agree that a lot of the panels are rather stale and often redundant and even the "experts" get a bit old after awhile. Still light years ahead of CNN.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
5. They are often hired because they are articulate and /or cute
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:24 AM
Oct 2019

They are not hired because they are sophisticated analysts of the political scene ...Those folks often don't have the right look for TV …….

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earthside

(6,960 posts)
6. I don't see much enthusiasm.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:47 AM
Oct 2019

There is the likelihood that what they are saying is true.

In Colorado there indeed isn't much enthusiasm for Biden.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
8. Neither do I... the reasons are obvious.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:55 AM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
11. Same here
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:17 AM
Oct 2019

Maybe they're just hard to find? I haven't seen any any evidence of support irl ans only a smattering online.

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Cha

(297,379 posts)
17. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 06:16 PM
Oct 2019

there isn't any.

CNN poll: Biden wins the "enthusiasm" factor! A record level of enthusiasm heading into 2020

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287321765

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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
7. Certain ideas get stuck in people's heads and stay there for a long time.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:51 AM
Oct 2019

This is especially true if people want a certain idea to be true. I am enthusiastic about Biden, and so is every Biden supporter I know. Biden replacing Trump? There is major enthusiasm for that. A lot of us Biden supporters are a bit older, so we don't don't all jump up and down and make a lot of noise for our candidate. However, the Biden supporters that I know think that he would make an awesome President, just as Barack Obama was an awesome President, and we are very enthusiastic about both getting Biden in and getting Trump out.

Also, if we Biden supporters are not as vocal as others, there is another reason. When Biden first announced, he was way ahead of the pack. That meant that all of the roughly 23 other candidates figured on making him a target because they figured if they tarnished him, his votes would have to go somewhere. So, anytime I posted something pro Biden, I ran the risk of someone being less than totally polite and civil telling me what an evil monster Biden is. That can get old pretty fast. I am sure the Bernie people saw a lot of that too, as did the Hillary people. For some reason, many people seem to think that if they scream at you, then they will convince you that your candidate is bad. I have found the opposite to be true. I find people tend to dig in when people disparage their candidate. If you really want to convince somebody of something, first find out why they believe as they do, then reasonable discuss it with them. The book "How To Win Friends And Influence People" taught me this slogan:

Those who are convinced against their will, are of the same opinion still.

It means that if you scream at someone and put lots of pressure on someone in order to try and get him or her to change his or her mind about something, he or she will often change his or her mind briefly...until you walk away, then he or she will tend to change his or her mind back to whatever it was before. Noone likes to be pressured into a decision. Most people who are Democrats will vote for the Democrat about 90% of the time, no matter who it is. The same is true of Republicans. The only way I ever get people to change their minds permanently is to first find out where they are coming from and then calmly ask them questions and also give them things to think about. I was in sales for many years and I persuaded a lot of people to buy a lot of things. I never persuaded by yelling. I persuaded people by finding out what they wanted and then showing them a solution to their problems.

On Democratic Underground, if you support a candidate and people give you a hard time just because you like a candidate, please feel free to ignore them. He or she usually has no idea if you even saw his or her snarly post, and responding to these people just tends to make them post more snarly posts. I prefer to post positive posts about Biden and also thank other Biden fans for doing the same. In general, I prefer to save my negativity for Republicans.

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
9. Why is Biden's fundraising so much lower than the other top candidates?
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:07 AM
Oct 2019

Does he have fewer donors? Lower average donor amounts?

It would seem that if the problem was that his donors were enthusiastic, just not wealthy, then he would have lots of tiny donations, right? Is that the case?

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LSFL

(1,109 posts)
10. Tiny donations don't get you elected. Nt
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:12 AM
Oct 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
12. Neither does running out of money
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:21 AM
Oct 2019
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LSFL

(1,109 posts)
13. Is he running out of money?
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:35 AM
Oct 2019

I didn't see that meme.

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. He's been spending money faster than he takes it in.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:40 AM
Oct 2019
https://time.com/5701941/bidens-fundraising-front-runner/

Joe Biden’s presidential bid is not raising enough money to cover the cost of his day-to-day campaign, a surprising turn for someone who entered the race for his Democratic Party’s nomination as the front-runner.

Biden’s fundraising and spending numbers, which were filed by Federal Election Commission late Tuesday, calls into question whether the former Vice President can continue to lead a crowded field of candidates that includes leaders more aligned with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Biden retains all of the advantages of almost five decades in politics, but there is also a sense after Tuesday night’s debate that rival — and fellow septuagenarian — Elizabeth Warren is nudging him from center stage.

Biden is hardly alone in having to dip into savings between July 1 and Sept. 30, according to the FEC reports filed late Tuesday as a dozen Democrats were debating in Westerville, Ohio. In fact, twice as many Democrats raided the kitty as broke even during the third quarter of the year, typically the toughest period of any campaign’s fundraising.


Biden raised $15.7 million last quarter, spent $17.7 million and has about $9 million in the bank, according to the reports. In other words, for every $1 the campaign raised, it spent $1.12. If he continues to spend his third-quarter average of roughly $196,120 a day and continues to raise $174,904 each day, he can grind out until Election Day. But his future finances get ugly if he wants to build beyond the current footprint.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
20. Not worried a bit..
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 06:28 PM
Oct 2019

He is already at war with Trump and has taken him on from day one.. so he is going to blow through the money a whole lot faster ... not worried on bit about the money being their for him when he is the final candidate...

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. I'm not suggesting he's spending too much. I'm wondering why he hasn't received more donations?
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019

Is it because his donors are giving smaller amounts than Bernie, for example? Or because he has fewer donors?

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myohmy2

(3,164 posts)
18. "that there is no enthusiasm"
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 06:22 PM
Oct 2019

...I'm not enthusiastic and neither is anyone around me...

...are you sure want to support Joe over Bernie in the primary?

...Bernie sounds pretty darn good...take a look


https://berniesanders.com/issues/

...you'll thank me later...

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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
19. Oh brother!
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 06:25 PM
Oct 2019

uh huh.. sure.. you bet....

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