Democratic Primaries

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts) Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:34 AM Oct 2019

Politico: Biden throws his campaign a lifeline

[link:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/25/joe-biden-super-pac-fundraising-058022|

A strategic retreat on super PAC funding could pay big dividends.

By NATASHA KORECKI, MARC CAPUTO and MAGGIE SEVERNS 10/25/2019 06:59 PM EDT

By reversing course and dropping his opposition to super PACs, Joe Biden has all but admitted he’s getting swamped in fundraising.

But it was a strategic retreat that could end up paying big dividends for his cash-starved campaign.

Calls to a half-dozen maxed-out Biden donors Friday revealed that they would gladly dig deeper for the former vice president and contribute to a super PAC that enables them — and corporations — to give and spend unlimited amounts of money.

“Joe Biden has not raised as much money as the others through his own campaign efforts. But you have to understand, that’s basically how it works. Bernie Sanders had, what, 20,000 people at an event in New York? Suppose each one of those people gave $100,” said Joe Cotchett, a major Bay Area bundler for Biden. “Does Joe have the ability to have 20,000 people at a rally right now? The answer is no. But hopefully for Joe, it will come.”

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Politico: Biden throws his campaign a lifeline (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 OP

Biden and Super Pacs ritapria Oct 2019 #1

It's already backfired... it's over for Joe. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #4

Yeah, the polls are showing that! George II Oct 2019 #8

Kinduva push poll then... by previous post I mean. Nt BootinUp Oct 2019 #11

I am touched by some who are so concerned about Biden's welfare. Were they so concerned when still_one Oct 2019 #17

There are Super PACs supporting other candidates that have gone negative already. George II Oct 2019 #10

biden reminds me of GHBush running his Reelection campaign SterlingPound Oct 2019 #2

I wouldn't go that far... but this move certainly reaks of desperation InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #5

sigh LaurenOlimina Oct 2019 #3

I stand with Elizabeth Warren on this. crazytown Oct 2019 #6

Joe has already broken that promise too. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #14

Joe and his Super Pacs flipflop will definitely be a November debate topic. bluewater Oct 2019 #7

Joe's right... "people can't possibly trust" him were he to "accept any money from a super PAC." InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #15

Other campaigns are accepting support from Super PACs, too. George II Oct 2019 #9

Which ones? bluewater Oct 2019 #13

Bernie has at least two, not very active Celerity Oct 2019 #20

Every campaign that ever resulted in victory BootinUp Oct 2019 #12

Whataboutism in three... two... one... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #16

Yep. BlueWI Oct 2019 #19

"This is troubling for Bernie." LanternWaste Oct 2019 #22

Good. Let's go, Joe. You are the most qualified and experienced candidate. The world emmaverybo Oct 2019 #18

This isnt... boomer_wv Oct 2019 #21

ritapria

(1,812 posts)

1. Biden and Super Pacs

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

Oct 2019

If the Biden Super Pacs go negative on other candidates , I think it will backfire on him ...If they are just pro-Joe then they will help him

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

4. It's already backfired... it's over for Joe.

Reply to ritapria (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:43 AM

Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

8. Yeah, the polls are showing that!

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:58 AM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BootinUp

(47,167 posts)

11. Kinduva push poll then... by previous post I mean. Nt

Reply to George II (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:50 AM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,277 posts)

17. I am touched by some who are so concerned about Biden's welfare. Were they so concerned when

Reply to George II (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:52 PM

Oct 2019

President Obama did it?

Then in spite of any indication that he will not go negative against his fellow Democratic candidates, some have already concluded he will

Disagreeing with candidates on how to approach various issues is not going negative

Trump received 125 + in the third quarter. That is a hell of a lot more than 35 million. Buys a lot of expensive TV ads

You change things after you win, not before, to give advantage to the republicans
However, why this should seem bother those who seem upset about this is beyond me, because they seem to imply this will hurt not help him, and obviously don’t feel you need that much to win elections anyway

Their concerns, or lack of confidence about this are noted

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

10. There are Super PACs supporting other candidates that have gone negative already.

Reply to ritapria (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:22 AM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

SterlingPound

(428 posts)

2. biden reminds me of GHBush running his Reelection campaign

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:40 AM

Oct 2019

He seems to just be going through the motions

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

5. I wouldn't go that far... but this move certainly reaks of desperation

Reply to SterlingPound (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:45 AM

Oct 2019

and will seal the demise of Joe's campaign.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)

3. sigh

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:40 AM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

crazytown

(7,277 posts)

6. I stand with Elizabeth Warren on this.

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:47 AM

Oct 2019

It’s disappointing that any Democratic candidate would reverse course and endorse the use of unlimited contributions from the wealthy to run against fellow Democrats. A handful of wealthy donors should not be allowed to buy the Democratic nomination. That’s not who we are.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2019/10/25/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-super-pacs

By all means use every weapon available in the GE, but this is a Super PAC which will be used against fellow Democrats in the primaries. What's next, dropping the promise of a positive campaign too?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

14. Joe has already broken that promise too.

Reply to crazytown (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:07 PM

Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

bluewater

(5,376 posts)

7. Joe and his Super Pacs flipflop will definitely be a November debate topic.

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:53 AM

Oct 2019

Biden's words are Biden's words.

It's hard to misinterpret Biden's own words to Judy Woodruff on PBS NewsHour in 2018:

Biden: I Told Bernie Sanders Not To Accept PAC Money, That People Wouldn't Trust You

In an interview with PBS NewsHour host Judy Woodruff, former Vice President Joe Biden revealed he advised 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders that he shouldn't take any money from political action committees, "because people can't possibly trust you."

"My positions are a hell of a lot closer to Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders on some of the economic positions," Biden said about a potential 2020 run for president.

"I sat with Bernie," Biden said of his meeting with the Clinton rival. "I’m the guy that told him, you shouldn’t accept any money from a super PAC, because people can’t possibly trust you. How will a middle-class guy accept if you accept money?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

15. Joe's right... "people can't possibly trust" him were he to "accept any money from a super PAC."

Reply to bluewater (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:12 PM

Oct 2019

There's no way to spin that!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

9. Other campaigns are accepting support from Super PACs, too.

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:59 AM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bluewater

(5,376 posts)

13. Which ones?

Reply to George II (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:59 AM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Celerity

(43,454 posts)

20. Bernie has at least two, not very active

Reply to bluewater (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:30 AM

Oct 2019

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00698233&cycle=2020

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00581967&cycle=2020

Warren has two that are completely inactive

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php

Beto too

Hickenlooper

Delaney

Yang

Inslee

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BootinUp

(47,167 posts)

12. Every campaign that ever resulted in victory

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:53 AM

Oct 2019

allowed legal contributions. Eom

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

16. Whataboutism in three... two... one...

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:15 PM

Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)

19. Yep.

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:10 PM

Oct 2019

Good thing PAC contributions have no effect on policy.

: )

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

22. "This is troubling for Bernie."

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:07 AM

Oct 2019

"I'm very concerned."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)

18. Good. Let's go, Joe. You are the most qualified and experienced candidate. The world

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:27 PM

Oct 2019

needs you.

2020 ELECTIONS
World leaders tell Biden: We need you
The former vice president would bring deep relationships and heavyweight credentials to a 2020 Democratic field lacking in national security experience.
By DANIEL LIPPMAN 03/20/2019 05:04 AM EDT

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/biden-2020-foreign-policy-national-security-1228345

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

boomer_wv

(673 posts)

21. This isnt...

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:43 AM

Oct 2019

something that the average voter, even the average primary voter, cares about. It's not going to change his support one way or another. It is going to load him up with cash though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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