Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders compares the ultra-wealthy to drug addicts: "I need more, more, more"
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Asked by CBS News how that notion squares with the concept that the United States is the "land of opportunity" where anyone has a chance to accrue great success and wealth, Sanders said that there is a difference in ambitions between the working class and the rich.
"In the same way that we look at some people who are alcoholics, some people who are drug addicts, I think [the ultra-wealthy] are addicted to money. And I think a billion for some of them is not enough, they need 5 billion. And 5 billion is not enough, they need 50 billion. 50 billion's not enough, they need 100 billion dollars. And in order to get that money, they are prepared and do terrible things to working people," Sanders said.
"Greed for some of these people has literally become a religion 'I need more, more, more.' Like a drug addict. And I think that that kind of greed has led to corruption. Where it's not just greed, you have industries like the pharmaceutical industry, who not only charge us by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, they engage in price fixing and collusion. Everybody knows that they are being sued for billions of dollars by state's Attorneys General for actually selling opioids that they knew were addictive just so that they can make more money. They're killing people to make more money."
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"Most people do not want to step on other people as they advance to the top. We have a president who, when he was in the private sector, lied and cheated and stole in order to make his money. I don't think that's where most people are," said Sanders.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-2020-senator-says-ultra-wealthy-are-addicted-to-money-exclusive-interview-2019-10-26/
I believe the standard M.O. for those addicts and their paid or brainwashed lackeys to maintain that power is to divide the American People up to keep them weak and fighting among themselves, whether it be by race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, land of origin or any other fault line they can find.
So long as the American People are kept busy looking left, right or down they never look up, however that's where the golden showers come from but it ain't gold.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I have looked at it in the very same way. The addiction will continue, like other kinds, despite the negative ramifications and potentially bad outcomes. The wealth enables the behavior.
If you think of how families and friends, (and the sphere of community) are impacted by a bad addiction, (drugs, sex, gambling) then there is a similarity and concern here about that and an entire society is in its scope.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatrickforO
(14,582 posts)I've always felt that there is something definitely freakish about someone who feverishly amasses huge amounts of money.
It is abnormal in some fundamental way, and like Bernie, we might well compare this behavior to other addictions.
Problem is, the billionaire parasite addictive disease is SO MUCH WORSE for society than alcoholism or drugs or eating or gambling or sex addiction.
In these more traditional addictions, the addict's behavior destroys his/her life - the job is lost, possessions are lost, family is estranged and with alcohol or narcotics, health is also destroyed.
Billionaire addictive behavior, by its very nature, hurts many more people, and the earth itself. Because it isn't lust for sex or drugs or drink or food destroying the individual and undermining that individual's relationships with close friends, employer and family.
NOPE.
Lust for power and wealth hurts all people, all other species upon this planet and affects the earth's habitability itself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
and I think he know what he's talking about
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SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And I saw something on social media the other day about how one billionaire (millionaire?) trashed the billionaires who suggest they'd be "hurt" by the fiscal policies of Sanders or Warren. They have no idea of "hurt."
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Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)It's a sickness.
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WA-03 Democrat
(3,050 posts)Sen. Sanders is 100% right on and correct.
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Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Wealth addicts willing to destroy our nation for a few dollars more.
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lostnfound
(16,186 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's wrong for him to have said that. It serves no good purpose to stigmatize or publicly shame people who struggle with alcoholism or substance abuse, by comparing them with corruption, and greedy liars and cheaters and thieves.
I guess he knows what his audience wants to hear... apparently they responded as he expected... but that doesn't change the fact that his comparison was insulting and cruel. It lacked understanding and compassion. He owes many people an apology for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)What connects the various addictions is that enough is never enoughnot for long anyway. As addicts progress (or rather, regress) into their addiction, to derive sufficient gratification they must constantly seek more and more of their drug of choice. For more is the keyword of addiction. It doesnt matter whether theyre addicted to a substance, relationship, or activitythe ante for getting enough of the object of their craving must continually be raised.
But of all the things one might be addicted to, nothing tops the greed-laden pursuit of wealth in its audacity, manipulativeness, and gross insensitivity to the needs and feelings of others. Not to mention its extreme, short-sighted, irresponsible covetousness. Ask a multi-millionaire or billionaire so afflicted (if you can find one willing to talk to you!), and youll discover that their mega-fortune quest really has no end point. They wont be able to name the definitive millionth or billionth that, finally, will do it for them. They cant because the means by which they reap their riches has itself become the end.
Chasing every financial opportunityand, it cannot be overemphasized, to the detriment of virtually everything else in their lifehas become their be-all and end-all. For that, frankly, is where the dopamine is: the master molecule of pleasure and motivation. And the end for them is simply the high (or dopamine release) they receive each time they do a deal, turn a profit, or make a killing. And just like other addicts, over time (because of the related phenomena of tolerance and dependency) theyll need to make bigger and bigger killings to get the ego gratification they require in order to feel good about themselves.
In general, their money high has to do not just with feelings of fiscal elation but with a kind of self-inoculation. What perpetual wealth production inoculates them against are underlying, and barely recognized, feelings of distresssuch as depression, anxiety, guilt or shamewhich stem from a belief that deep, deep down they may not be good enough at all. So greater and greater financial success is required to help them sustain their cherished illusion that they really are superiorin economic terms, vastly superiorto others: a most convenient narcissistic fix for whatever subterranean doubts they may yet harbor about themselves.
On an ethical level, the worst thing about their pursuits is that their mercenary, ego-driven achievements frequently do considerable damage to others and their prospects. Not always but typically those who might be called greed addicts arent in the professions or creative Arts, but in business: entrepreneurs, investors, speculators, lenders, CEOs. And most often their successes contribute little or nothing to society. Rather, their undertakings are cunningly contrived to transfer money out of the pockets of others and into their own. Exceedingly competitive and aggressive, theyll take ruthless advantage of every opportunity to turn a profitand not shy away from turning against others in the process.
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Leon F. Seltzer, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and the author of Paradoxical Strategies in Psychotherapy. He holds doctorates in English and Psychology. His posts have received more than 36 million views.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evolution-the-self/201210/greed-the-ultimate-addiction
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... it's not helping your or Bernie's case at all. It makes it worse actually.
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Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)(snip)
And suffer they do. They suffer from the disposition, the emotions, the activities and the ideological positioning that greed entails. They suffer from a need that can never be sated: a need that increases as it is fed and that diminishes sufferers as they cross more ethical boundaries in pursuit of the unattainable.
It is the denial of the rights of others in the acquisition of possessions that distinguishes greed from other acquisitive conditions. With that denial, comes emotional desensitisation to the needs of others: a sense of entitlement, an unwarranted grandiosity, a belief that one has a superior right to an unequal share, and a sense of power over those who have less.
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Waiting is not just a temporal thing. It is a cognitive skill, an emotional capacity and a tolerance that is helped by being taught to the child in a gentle and compassionate way. But the advantages of challenging greed are not confined to developmental psychology or to the individual child. The advantages are social and societal. They are global.
The earth has enough for man's need, but not for man's greed said the great Indian visionary Mahatma Gandhi. If our children cannot draw that distinction and address its implications, they may face excessive psychological challenges that we would not wish them to have to face.
Clinical psychologist and author Marie Murray is director of the Student Counselling Services in University College Dublin
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/the-deadly-addiction-of-pure-greed-1.940468
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Tipperary
(6,930 posts)What was that all about if not for money?
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George II
(67,782 posts)....to them is insensitive and way out of line. Demonizing drug addicts like this is disgraceful.
And what's up with the reference to golden showers?
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)And I can't figure out why. It's not winning over anyone judging by poll results.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OldRed2450
(710 posts)and I don't think billionaires should be given the same empathy addicts should have.
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Hav
(5,969 posts)Bernie is pointing out how corporate greed is leading to people dying and some here are parsing words.
Clearly, addiction referred to the insatiable need to increase your wealth, that it's never enough and that you constantly need more to feel satisfied. It wasn't intended to be an excuse for greed or to insult alcoholics or other forms of addiction. It was an attempt to explain and compare their behavior. I think it's a fitting comparison. When profits are valued above human life and also your personal well-being in some cases, then this behavior isn't rational anymore. When you neglect your family to see that next digit on your account balance, I'd say that shows the same symptoms you would see in other instances of addiction.
In other areas, we are also talking about internet addiction or addiction to games. Is that a cruel insult to these other forms as well? I don't even like Bernie but this is just stupid.
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Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iwannaknow
(210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided