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iwannaknow

(210 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:59 PM Oct 2019

Bernie is justified in his reaction to Tulsi being a Russian asset.

The NYT misquoted Hillary, who actually said Tulsi is a Republican operative.

Given Tulsi's service record, Bernie obviously believes the "Russian asset" notion to be far fetched. Malcolm Nance has also stated he does not think Tulsi is a Russian asset, more likely an unwitting actor.

Please don't think this post is in support of Tulsi because I like many others am of the opinion she is up to something nefarious. Even though she has claimed she will not run as a third party candidate, I would not be at all surprised if she indeed does so.

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Bernie is justified in his reaction to Tulsi being a Russian asset. (Original Post) iwannaknow Oct 2019 OP
so bernie/tulsi 2020 is still on? nt msongs Oct 2019 #1
Lol still_one Oct 2019 #2
HRC Actually Didn't Name Any Names Me. Oct 2019 #3
But anyone who follows Dem politics knew who HRC had to have been referring to. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #8
First Of All Me. Oct 2019 #13
Your "first of all" was probably supposed to be for someone other than me. But to the other... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #17
UNtil She Says So Out Loud Me. Oct 2019 #18
You don't have to count on the NYT, you can hear the podcast she spoke on yourself. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2019 #20
I just hope Bernie makes it clear that his tweet was NOT a response to Hillary's comment. beastie boy Oct 2019 #4
Bernie is taking Gabbard's side. He hates Hillary and is still bitter because she comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #9
Hard to know for sure iwannaknow Oct 2019 #15
"actually said Tulsi is a Republican operative" TwilightZone Oct 2019 #5
Confusion persists on many fronts about whether being an "asset" implies conscious cooperation. LAS14 Oct 2019 #6
Correct. OP's "Malcolm Nance has also stated he does not think Tulsi is a Russian asset... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #7
Witting Or Not Me. Oct 2019 #19
Has he defended Harris from Dotard's attack on her? mcar Oct 2019 #10
Point well taken iwannaknow Oct 2019 #14
I don't think any have mcar Oct 2019 #16
Gabbard is "unwitting" in more ways than one. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #11
Let's call her the more formal "Gabbard" rather that the more familiar friendly "Tulsi". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #12
 

msongs

(67,421 posts)
1. so bernie/tulsi 2020 is still on? nt
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:18 PM
Oct 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. HRC Actually Didn't Name Any Names
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:36 PM
Oct 2019

not Tulsi or anyone aside from Stein

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thesquanderer

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8. But anyone who follows Dem politics knew who HRC had to have been referring to.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:25 PM
Oct 2019

Did you honestly think she could have meant Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, or Williamson?

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. First Of All
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:47 PM
Oct 2019

She said they were being groomed by the Cons, not the Russians. Now, do I honestly think she was referring to anyone other than Gabbard, no I don't. Even TG copped to it being about her. However, I also don't like people putting words in her mouth, which, btw, started with the anti-HRC, NYT who had to apologize for and correct their mistatement.

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thesquanderer

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17. Your "first of all" was probably supposed to be for someone other than me. But to the other...
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 08:24 PM
Oct 2019

...if it's obvious from context who someone is talking about, excusing it by saying "oh, but they never said their name" is a cop out. Everyone who follows Dem politics knew exactly who she was talking about. If I refer to an orange faced bigot and someone says "don't talk about the President that way," I'm not going to excuse it by saying, "hey, how did you know that's who I was talking about? I didn't mention his name." Really, some things are just obvious and don't need to be spelled out precisely for everyone to understand.

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Me.

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18. UNtil She Says So Out Loud
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:06 PM
Oct 2019

she hasn't said it out loud, and even then mistakes get made aka NYT

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thesquanderer

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20. You don't have to count on the NYT, you can hear the podcast she spoke on yourself. (n/t)
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:07 PM
Oct 2019
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beastie boy

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4. I just hope Bernie makes it clear that his tweet was NOT a response to Hillary's comment.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:48 PM
Oct 2019

Without this clarification it looks an awful lot like Bernie is taking Tulsi's side in her spat with Hillary, which occurred just two days before Bernie's tweet.

As you mentioned, Hillary neither named Tulsi, nor did she reference a foreign asset, and Tulsi's response, which was as insulting as it was telling, was the outrageous part of the exchange. Bernie chose to only defend the latter.

I sure hope he was defending her against NYT, which botched the story.

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comradebillyboy

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9. Bernie is taking Gabbard's side. He hates Hillary and is still bitter because she
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:29 PM
Oct 2019

crushed him last cycle and can't bear the thought that she is vastly more popular than he is.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
5. "actually said Tulsi is a Republican operative"
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:51 PM
Oct 2019

No, she didn't.

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LAS14

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6. Confusion persists on many fronts about whether being an "asset" implies conscious cooperation.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 02:56 PM
Oct 2019

Hillary should have avoided the word "asset," even though it was probably the most accurate word available. It's too sophisticated for most of her audience to understand that an "asset" doesn't have to be a spy or a traitor. We shouldn't be wasting time attacking Gabbard's intentions, just her policies and the threat of a 3rd party candidate. An asset is just very useful for whatever reasons. The link below is very helpful.

Following its established playbook, Russia has increasingly interfered in the politics of traditional opponents throughout the West in the hopes of undermining democracy and stability from within. Donald Trump was a political novice with a longstanding public admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin and a penchant for advancing conspiracy theories. He espoused isolationist policies and had potentially compromising financial relationships with Kremlin-aligned oligarchs. He also had few apparent scruples and was running against a woman Putin considers among his main adversaries. Trump was simply an ideal candidate for the Kremlin to back. There is also reason to suspect that Russia began cultivating Trump as an asset long before his campaign for president, a common tactic the Kremlin pursues with people it suspects may be useful in the future.


https://themoscowproject.org/collusion-chapter/chapter-3/

Edit: And here is another place to see the definition of "asset."

Russia's success in attacking our democracy is not tied to their ability to recruit Gabbard (or anyone else) to parrot Russian talking points. Rather, their success comes with their ability to influence and manipulate, through amplification, certain messages and candidates that create division. As we saw in 2016, Russia was able to aid Donald Trump by using tailored and manipulated social media campaigns, without even the knowledge or direction of the Trump campaign itself. After all, Russia's goal in 2016 was the delegitimization of our elections; they did not need to coordinate with Trump to make that happen. That's the disturbing parallel with Gabbard: Russia can seek to support her, without her knowledge.


https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750

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thesquanderer

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7. Correct. OP's "Malcolm Nance has also stated he does not think Tulsi is a Russian asset...
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

...more likely an unwitting actor" is not a distinction. An unwitting actor can still be an asset, which essentially means "something of value."

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Me.

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19. Witting Or Not
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:07 PM
Oct 2019

she can still make problems

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mcar

(42,340 posts)
10. Has he defended Harris from Dotard's attack on her?
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:30 PM
Oct 2019
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iwannaknow

(210 posts)
14. Point well taken
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 05:49 PM
Oct 2019

No he has not. But what other candidate has?

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mcar

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16. I don't think any have
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 05:56 PM
Oct 2019

I wonder why.

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Bernardo de La Paz

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11. Gabbard is "unwitting" in more ways than one. . . . nt
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:32 PM
Oct 2019
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Bernardo de La Paz

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12. Let's call her the more formal "Gabbard" rather that the more familiar friendly "Tulsi". . . . nt
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:32 PM
Oct 2019
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