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Uncle Joe

(58,444 posts)
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 01:11 PM Oct 2019

As PG&E Leaves Millions Without Power Amid Wildfires, Sanders Says Time to Think About



'Public Ownership of Major Utilities'

(snip)

PG&E began its latest phase of shut-offs Friday afternoon as high winds threatened to damage above-ground power lines and spark more fires. As the Los Angeles Times reported, "by Sunday evening the utility had cut current to 940,000 homes and businesses, affecting more than two million people, with one more phase to come in Fresno and Madera counties."

(snip)

"No one in this country should be losing power in their home because large corporations have failed to invest in a smart, safe, and modern electrical grid," said Rafael Návar, Sanders' 2020 California state director. "When Bernie is in the White House, he is going to take on the corporate greed and recklessnesss of the energy industry and build a 21st century energy grid that will deliver clean, reliable power to all."

(snip)

"We will spend $526 billion on a modern, high-volt, underground, renewable, direct current, smart, electric transmission and distribution grid [that] will ensure our transition to 100 percent sustainable energy is safe and smooth," the plan says. "The renewable energy generated by the Green New Deal will be publicly owned, managed by the Federal Power Marketing Administrations, the Bureau of Reclamation, and the Tennessee Valley Authority."

(snip)

"The for-profit companies that reign over our energy system now have shown no meaningful sign of being willing to transform our energy system; they are much more interested in shareholder gains and business as usual," Bozuwa wrote. "In contrast, democratic public ownership of our energy system could prioritize community benefit over profit, paving the way for a just and equitable energy system."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/28/pge-leaves-millions-without-power-amid-wildfires-sanders-says-time-think-about

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As PG&E Leaves Millions Without Power Amid Wildfires, Sanders Says Time to Think About (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP
interesting! gristy Oct 2019 #1
Thanks for the addition gristy. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #2
K&R TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #3
Talk like this scares the shit out of some people. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #4
Yet they support tRump who supports Duppers Oct 2019 #5
Some people do say that not me. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #6
Let's clear up something. boomer_wv Oct 2019 #7
Absolutely! OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #8
Totally agree. Thanks. Duppers Oct 2019 #9
+1000 Celerity Oct 2019 #11
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #10
Too many companies gear everything around quarterly earnings, highly irresponsible to society. JudyM Oct 2019 #12
I agree Judy. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #13
 

gristy

(10,667 posts)
1. interesting!
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 02:09 PM
Oct 2019

"direct current" caught my eye in the quote. Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current

A high-voltage, direct current (HVDC) electric power transmission system (also called a power superhighway or an electrical superhighway)[1][2][3] uses direct current for the bulk transmission of electrical power, in contrast with the more common alternating current (AC) systems.[4] For long-distance transmission, HVDC systems may be less expensive and have lower electrical losses. For underwater power cables, HVDC avoids the heavy currents required to charge and discharge the cable capacitance each cycle. For shorter distances, the higher cost of DC conversion equipment compared to an AC system may still be justified, due to other benefits of direct current links. HVDC currently uses voltages between 100 kV and 800 kV, with an 1,100 kV link in China due to become operational in 2019.


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Uncle Joe

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2. Thanks for the addition gristy.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 07:39 PM
Oct 2019
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TidalWave46

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3. K&R
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 08:12 PM
Oct 2019

Very important topic for many reasons. Sanders is good at selling this issue.

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OldRed2450

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4. Talk like this scares the shit out of some people.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 08:20 PM
Oct 2019

I've talked to my relatives and friends. When I tell them Bernie is a democratic socialist, someone pro social security and medical for all.. they bring up things like this and say that they think Bernie is pushing incrementalist toward full blown socialism.

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Duppers

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5. Yet they support tRump who supports
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 09:55 PM
Oct 2019

Putin who represents "full blown communism."

They're essentially saying communism is better "democratic socialism."



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OldRed2450

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6. Some people do say that not me.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:41 PM
Oct 2019

The people I'm talking about are not Trump supporters.

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boomer_wv

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7. Let's clear up something.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:05 PM
Oct 2019

Putin is absolutely not a communist. Russia under Putin is nearing pure fascism.

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Duppers

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9. Totally agree. Thanks.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 08:20 AM
Oct 2019

I used that incorrect term because folks who oppose *democratic socialism* are usually triggered by the word communism.

Indeed, I should have used the correct term: *fascism*. Yet, don't you doubt they couldn't define or have ever looked up any of these 3 terms?

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Celerity

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11. +1000
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 08:44 AM
Oct 2019

Only in the reactionary, spun-up US would you see this foolishness pushed.

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JudyM

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12. Too many companies gear everything around quarterly earnings, highly irresponsible to society.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:52 AM
Oct 2019
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