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RandySF

(59,439 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:22 AM Mar 2019

Biden advisers debate Stacey Abrams as out-of-the-gate V.P. choice

Close advisers to former Vice President Joe Biden are debating the idea of packaging his presidential campaign announcement with a pledge to choose Stacey Abrams as his vice president.

Why it matters: The popular Georgia Democrat, who at age 45 is 31 years younger than Biden, would bring diversity and excitement to the ticket — showing voters, in the words of a close source, that Biden "isn't just another old white guy."

But the decision poses considerable risk, and some advisers are flatly opposed. Some have pointed out that in a Democratic debate, he could be asked why no one on the stage would be a worthy running mate.
Advisers also know that the move would be perceived as a gimmick.
Biden's position on the issue couldn't be learned — we were just told about the advisers' debate.

Biden has discussed selecting a running mate early, a move that one senior Democrat said could hurt him by feeding "an air of inevitability," CNN reported.
Biden's office declined to comment.
Abrams met Biden in Washington last week to discuss her next political steps, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

Biden requested the lunchtime meeting, per AP.



https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-stacey-abrams-vp-54472f8f-5bb2-4d1f-bc7c-0544a09ebba5.html

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Biden advisers debate Stacey Abrams as out-of-the-gate V.P. choice (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2019 OP
Has she declared she isn't running? WeekiWater Mar 2019 #1
Yes and no Renew Deal Mar 2019 #4
barring ineptitude on an immense scale dsc Mar 2019 #8
It's my understanding that Biden approached her for the lunch. NT WeekiWater Mar 2019 #11
Personally, I'd rather have Stacey run as the presidential candidate and have Joe fill the VP slot. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #12
I fully agree with this. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #15
there is another thread on this already..... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #2
I have a bad feeling about this LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #3
That's because it's an overall bad idea Renew Deal Mar 2019 #5
at first i was like..ummm...reallly? isnt this kinda like a sarah palin pick...? samnsara Mar 2019 #6
She's also lead our legislature's Democratic house caucus. Hortensis Mar 2019 #22
Perhaps Biden wants to clean his record up against Black people. Stellar Mar 2019 #7
I think that's the right answer, but will Abrams accept? marylandblue Mar 2019 #14
We're seeing eye to eye... Stellar Mar 2019 #21
Oh boy what a pantload BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #26
I Like Stacy Abrams-She Represents What's Best About America dlk Mar 2019 #9
Desperate move- his team must know his polling numbers are soft Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #10
Indeed, it reeks of desperation. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #18
I think it has to do with perception Renew Deal Mar 2019 #19
I love her Politicub Mar 2019 #13
Don't do it. It reeks of desperation and pandering and being a stunt. Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #16
Honestly...I'm sick & tired of political stunts... BooScout Mar 2019 #17
I don't think so.. this does not sound like him... Peacetrain Mar 2019 #20
Abrams' spokeswoman: "Abrams continues to keep all options on the table" Talking Tom Mar 2019 #23
There it is. "Abrams has met with half a dozen presidential R B Garr Mar 2019 #25
See, here's the problem with this. What if, through the process, another candidate... SKKY Mar 2019 #24
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
1. Has she declared she isn't running?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:25 AM
Mar 2019

Seems a bit offensive. I'm going to assume a deal was worked out over lunch. That's the only way this wouldn't be a sleight.

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Renew Deal

(81,883 posts)
4. Yes and no
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:34 AM
Mar 2019

She has declared both

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dsc

(52,169 posts)
8. barring ineptitude on an immense scale
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:03 AM
Mar 2019

she had to have been approached by his campaign and likely him before any discussions ensued. I can see advantages and disadvantages to this, but I am positive this has been discussed with her.

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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
11. It's my understanding that Biden approached her for the lunch. NT
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:14 AM
Mar 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
12. Personally, I'd rather have Stacey run as the presidential candidate and have Joe fill the VP slot.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:18 AM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
15. I fully agree with this.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:23 AM
Mar 2019

For many reasons.

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getagrip_already

(14,893 posts)
2. there is another thread on this already.....
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:30 AM
Mar 2019

do we need multiples?

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
3. I have a bad feeling about this
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:30 AM
Mar 2019
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Renew Deal

(81,883 posts)
5. That's because it's an overall bad idea
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:36 AM
Mar 2019

He has to defend her and defend himself. What happens if he finds out something about her he doesn’t like? Does he drop her?

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samnsara

(17,650 posts)
6. at first i was like..ummm...reallly? isnt this kinda like a sarah palin pick...?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:49 AM
Mar 2019

.....and because i was always drooling for a Biden/Harris ticket........then i read her Bio and WOW!!!! Shes written 6 romance novels! I mean besides all the other cool-worthy career stuff..she also went to YALE LAW SCHOOL! I have always liked her but i thought the pick was kind of odd but WOW im totally on board now.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. She's also lead our legislature's Democratic house caucus.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:34 AM
Mar 2019

To neglect to mention that is to draw a very...inaccurate picture.

Much as I admire our governor-elect Abrams, and I do, I'm not on board with her for president, but I'm also not on board with snide.

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Stellar

(5,644 posts)
7. Perhaps Biden wants to clean his record up against Black people.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:52 AM
Mar 2019
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-record-on-busing-incarceration-racial-justice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

Will Black Voters Still Love Biden When They Remember Who He Was?

Joe Biden once called state-mandated school integration “the most racist concept you can come up with,” and Barack Obama “the first sort of mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.” He was a staunch opponent of “forced busing” in the 1970s, and leading crusader for mass incarceration throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s. Uncle Joe has described African-American felons as “predators” too sociopathic to rehabilitate — and white supremacist senators as his friends.

And, as of this writing, a plurality of black Democrats want him to be their party’s 2020 nominee.

Whether Biden can retain that support, after voters learn more about his problematic past, could very well determine the outcome of the party’s primary race. To explore that question, let’s pick through the former vice-president’s hefty baggage on racial justice — and then, the case for thinking that Obama’s halo will prove to be brighter than the shadow of Biden’s record is dark.

Biden helped kill the most effective policy for improving black educational attainment that America has ever known.
Joe Biden was for


More at the link...
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
14. I think that's the right answer, but will Abrams accept?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:22 AM
Mar 2019

If the gambit fails, it will ruin her own brand. On the other hand, if a different white male wins the nomination, she could still be the VP pick.

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Stellar

(5,644 posts)
21. We're seeing eye to eye...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:27 AM
Mar 2019

and I'm really not sure if she would do it.

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BannonsLiver

(16,508 posts)
26. Oh boy what a pantload
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:50 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie has some mending to do in that area as well. Starting with the concept fixing income inequality doesn’t fix race inequality. And unlike Biden’s ideas from 50 years ago on busing Bernie is misguided and wrong on this in the PRESENT.

It’s sort of laughable and more than a little ironic a Sanders supporter would take this line of attack on Biden. Irony is officially dead.

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dlk

(11,582 posts)
9. I Like Stacy Abrams-She Represents What's Best About America
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:12 AM
Mar 2019
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Fiendish Thingy

(15,686 posts)
10. Desperate move- his team must know his polling numbers are soft
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:14 AM
Mar 2019

Once he declares, it will be open season, and his treatment of Anita Hill will come up. Picking Abrams now is a desperate, cynical attempt to neutralize this criticism.

I hope she says no- she's got a brighter future than this.

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comradebillyboy

(10,179 posts)
18. Indeed, it reeks of desperation.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:37 AM
Mar 2019
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Renew Deal

(81,883 posts)
19. I think it has to do with perception
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:47 AM
Mar 2019

That he is old and tired

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
13. I love her
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:19 AM
Mar 2019

I would like for her to be my senator... VP is great, too!

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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
16. Don't do it. It reeks of desperation and pandering and being a stunt.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:26 AM
Mar 2019

Dumb dumb dumb. Fire those advisors. This is a trial balloon that should have never been flown.

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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
17. Honestly...I'm sick & tired of political stunts...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:27 AM
Mar 2019

We get enough of the gimicky crap with Trump. I am fed up with political stunts. If Biden wants my vote he needs to explain and apologise for his stances over race, abortion and Anita Hill.

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Peacetrain

(22,880 posts)
20. I don't think so.. this does not sound like him...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:53 AM
Mar 2019

So I am not buying it...

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Talking Tom

(60 posts)
23. Abrams' spokeswoman: "Abrams continues to keep all options on the table"
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:35 AM
Mar 2019
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R B Garr

(16,995 posts)
25. There it is. "Abrams has met with half a dozen presidential
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:47 PM
Mar 2019

contenders to discuss their commitment to voting rights and to investing in Georgia”.

This is what it sounded like to me. A chance to discuss the obvious GOP plans to continue voter suppression in Georgia. She was the biggest victim of this; everyone should be meeting with Abrams.

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SKKY

(11,827 posts)
24. See, here's the problem with this. What if, through the process, another candidate...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:42 PM
Mar 2019

...emerges that everyone coalesces around. I think Stacey has the most to lose by tying herself to Biden this early. If she really has VP aspirations, let the process play out, make her availability known, and see what happens. I don't know. Seems like a bit of a Hail Mary to me.

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