on that ticket!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

No his style.. and I think it would be gimmicky too .. that is why I think the whole thing is hot air and nothing to it. (my opinion.. makes not sense)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

People in your picture are from the northeast. Not critisizing your choice, just do not think it will happen.

That would not work in the midwest.

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Welcome to the revolution!!!

This was just a thought bubble they let out into the wild to generate buzz. After all, everyone IS talking about it. Now, even if Biden doesn't do it, he already reaped advantages. The AA community sees him as on board; so do woman's groups. Other frontrunners are already sucking air trying to get to these groups. The air could be gone entirely once he announces.

Of course, he has to deliver an appropriate pick if he gets the nod, but it pushes him along in the process.

Deep games are afoot.......

Vice President.Could someone on the campaign whispered something into someones ear.. yeah sure that happens all the time..but nah, I do not think this came from the VP.. not his style at all...now consulting with people.. that is Joe Biden all over.. so maybe it came out of that..because Stacey Abrams is a force... and everyone should be consulting with her who plans to campaign in the south.. and would she be a good VP .. if the two of them have chemistry in politics.. oh you bet.. I would love it..

It seems kind of a waste of her talents just to have her stand behind Joe and agree with everything he says through the entire primary.

Besides, after a long, hard primary season, picking one of the other candidates as VP is a time-honored way of bringing the party together.

I love Warren, too, but more than her age, I am concerned that she's a senator from a state with a GOP governor (just like Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders) to pick a replacement . And as Brown said, we need Dem senators as much as we need a Dem POTUS.

after a primary season..

She can help him with the AA community while avoiding the awkwardness of having an early VP pick. Of course, people may start assuming he would pick her, but she might actually want a different job.

She is a power in the new south coalition.. that would be a very good thing to do.. ask her for support.. she may not want to jump into anything this early. because the season is just starting.. and her voice is one that will be listened too

...if at all.

Wonder how Stacy Abrams will respond (if at all).

Because he may very will want Stacey Abrams when it is time to pick the VP... if he came out now and said no I did not offer her the office, I was consulting her.. I mean people would be upset.. cause she is the future in that new south..

...all of this (the meeting, the buzz) is likely an effort to win GA* by hinting voting for him would advance Abrams, right?

It's not like Biden's opposed to making overtly political gestures at this stage, like pleading with big money donors to give him first day fundraising totals to match Bernie's and Beto's.

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I haven’t read anything on this Abrams VP thing. Could it be Biden was asking ambrams for an endorsement, and the rumor mill speculated this VP stuff?

...I wonder how much national recognition Stacy Abrams has, and how Biden believes she would help him.

I guess I'm looking for more than a gesture from Joe Biden. What is the concrete reason for their association?

I see Abrams as a political force independent from presidential politics.

That describes Abrams. She inspired the Democratic Party in Georgia, and her response to the SOTU was as historical as munch as it was brilliant. Her essay in Foreign Affairs expanded my worldview for politics, and crystalized why identity can not be divorced from economic prosperity.

They want to gauge reaction.

she is certainly the most visible victim of that. Why does he have to “manage” every thing some reporters float. Is he supposed to call in to every show and “manage” what they say? Who does that.

ready to grab and run with this. I'm remembering their despicable "Dean scream" behavior.

I have real trouble believing Vice President Biden would be floating a firm decision like this deliberately at this stage.

Nothing to do with Stacey, my husband and I admire and voted for her. But committing to a woman whose only experience is in the GA assembly and who is almost completely unknown nationally (yes) would be a sign of weakness and desperation totally unlikely for Obama's vice president running as a strong, stabilizing elder statesman. Other candidates just wish they had his stature, some of whom would make excellent VP possibilities themselves.

Joe Biden's political judgment. His earlier presidential campaigns were unsuccessful and this one is not getting off to a good start. We saw a lot of the same sort of dithering from Biden in 2016.

Joe's political adroitness. I generally like the guy but he's looking very indecisive and tentative right now. Not good signs in a presidential candidate.

recently. I doubt it’s his fault the media will speculate 24-hours a day on cable news “indecisive and tentative”.

Some of these condemnations about Joe are really overdone.

and it will get a lot worse before we have a nominee.

candidate needs to get in, certainly not a year ahead of time.

That said given the hints he dropped in the recent Firefighter speech, and another speech that I can’t remember who it was given to, I expect announcement is coming very very soon.

edit : his son just died the previous year. I believe him when he said that would affect his campaigning. Grief takes a while to process.

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He didn't run in large part because his son had recently died.

I don't think that qualifies as "dithering".

Hot air. I do not believe Biden is that dumb.

that is why I am not buying the story..

Biden is much too political savvy to pull such a stunt.

his getting into the race will ef it up for all of us.

I called it 2 weeks ago... Biden/Abrams is good

be won over by the presence of Abrams on the ticket. Will be interesting.

The Abrams campaign for governor electrified the Democratic Party and grew our ranks. She came within a hair of winning. That was remarkable in a southern state.

She is brilliant. I don't think Biden meeting with her means much, other than he values her wise counsel as he seeks to expand the winning Obama coalition.

IF Joe Biden picks Stacey Abrams as his VP, other candidates might want to prepare to step out of the race (they do have the right to stay in but, they will likely be beat in the primary with this team) -- as the only two others that can match this ticket is Kamala Harris and Pete Bettigieg -- which could be billed as the alternative progressive ticket and could have a equal if together chance to win the Democracy 2020 Primary.

Have met BOTH Stacey Abrams (who is awesome, period) and Peter Bettigieg (who is equally, awesome) and BOTH of these VP Candidates if they were to become such, can carry a room, crowd, large audience or coliseum if need be, with their overarching passion for issues that impact everyday lives.

Yes, Elizabeth Warren is Real Good, as in an aspect Cory Booker. Bernie Sanders IMHO has a base but the leftovers from 2016 will not disappear to bring him to win the Democratic Primary, no matter who he might choose as is V.P.

Biden has a base (Baby Bloomers, Some Generation Xers -- Not All as some still remember His questionable questioning of Anita Hill). However, bring Stacey Abrams on his ticket does a big leap to right that past wrong in the minds of SOME Generation Xers (the ones that would not support him otherwise). Equally, Stacey reaches Millennial's and enough Gen Zers in the South. Biden needs Alabama or Georgia or both of them to secure a win over Drump. Stacey can bring that.

Meanwhile, Kamala has California and a growing number of the African-American base leaning her way in the Boomer and Generation Xer base. More Gen Xers African-Americans were comfortable with her since her appearance on "The Morning Show" where she discussed support for reparations and she opened ears of the younger African-American base that listens to The Morning Show, Millennial's for being First Out The Gate with this important issue for many of them.

Next, Kamala has a good rapport among a growing base of Democrat and Left Lending Women. This is a base she must carry. Adding the Western States (California, Washington State, Oregon, New Mexico and Maybe Colorado and Arizona) helps her big time BUT -- she must win a large chunk of Caucasian Males and the Midwest.

That is where Pete steps in. He is dynamic in person and whip smart. He knows the Midwest and will do well in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and -- his home base of Indiana where folks love Pete. He also has a firm lock on the LGBT Community as well as the Millennial non-minority base -- once they hear him talk about the issues.

Again: Biden/Abrams and Harris/Buttigieg -- Either ticket would be hard as hell for Drump/Enabler Pence to over come and we could vote for EITHER of these tickets.

Biden and Abrams campaigning relentlessly for Biden would be a guaranteed win. It would be pretty amazing. That would mean she would be working on the trail just as hard as Biden.

That's not a concern until perhaps a few months out from the convention

This was part of the problem with the Clinton/Kaine ticket. I LOVE Tim Kaine as a senator and governor. As DNC Chair and Hillary's runningmate, he left much to be desired.

His popularity in the Old Dominion as Senator and Governor should have enabled him to carry that state for Hillary but it didn't work out that way. Stacey Abrams WOULD keep Georgia in play, no matter who were on the ticket with her.

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Why should he limit himself at this point? Sure, Stacey Abrams is a firecracker, but why pick someone out of the gate who hasn't shown immediate interest in the presidency?

A Biden/Harris ticket would be fantastic and, I'd bet, unbeatable. Obviously Joe won't consider and announce for Harris now as she herself is a candidate for the same job. And why would Harris agree before the primaries to be second banana to Joe when she has a good shot herself at the top position?

Joe needs to wait until after the primaries so that he'd have a blooming garden of potential VP candidates who have elected to bow out of the top race. Biden/Harris...Biden/Booker...so many great combinations, and all the VP possibilities eager to take their turn when Biden is done.

Don't do it, Joe!

My advice to any of the Dem candidates: Once you've secured the nomination, bring along the #2 contender and enjoy the luxury of his/her supporters also.

RESIST!

I heard a pundit on tv said it'd be a mistake if he picks a VP this early. It could turn out to be disastrous and would be a distraction.

It's said Biden is worried about not getting the donations that some of the others have gotten.

But it had no effect on the election. And President Dan Quayle would still be 1,000 times better than Trump.

I guess the early VP idea for Biden is a way of trying to be all things to all people. He is the experienced centrist, and then he can add someone who is more progressive/young/female/African American and try to appeal more to those demographics too.

But, it's dumb to commit yourself to a running mate 16 months before the convention. You want to make the choice based on the dynamics that exist in the summer of 2020, which may be unpredictably different than now.

Also, I like Stacey Abrams, but in getting more acceptance in the general election, I think there's some credibility issues in choosing someone to be a heartbeat away from an 80 year old President who has only served in state government, not as governor, who lost an election for governor. Rightly or wrongly, I think that Kamala Harris would be a stronger candidate by virtue of serving in the U.S. Senate and as Attorney General of the largest state in the country.

One thing I think would make sense for Biden, if he gets the nomination, would be to pledge to only serve for a single term. But, I don't think he should announce that until his convention acceptance speech.

I feel he is just not what is needed in this time though I will always 'like' & respect him. We need a progressive not a corporate moderate. He's not 'middle of the road' either. He's center right if you believe in those types of classifications. I run into so many people who just want to play safe without even investigating what the majority of Americans claim they want. We are at an emergency period where bold action is needed. I don't expect any of the above mentioned candidates except for Warren to take bold action, to stand up against the 1% fossil fuel industry. We need an FDR candidate who stands for the Green New Deal just like FDR did and would today. I didn't vote for Clinton in the primary but did in the general but some people were trying to present her and Tim as progressive and moderate. It's the same here it seems with Biden's ticket pick. I feel sometimes like it's a popularity contest where the issues are pushed off the table. Where who could win becomes more important than who we need and want to win. Trump is done for. He is self destructive as he has proven to the entire world. Our next president will be a democrat. Have no fear. Why? Trump promises never happened...just the opposite. Trump ran as a Democrat which has made him out to be a fraud and pathological liar. Dems must not make the "holier than thou" mistake but instead act as the people's champion. The policy polls point the way.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

What we don't need is someone who appoints three people to high positions in HIS campaign who voted for Jill Stein in the general election in 2016.

David Sirota, Nina Turner, and Briahna Joy Gray

and worse, they took to the public airwaves, newspapers, and social media and encouraged people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, including the day before the general election

Sanders interview in 2016 with the Daily News demonstrates just how inadequate he is:

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306

as long as Sanders is running, I want Joe Biden in the race, and from all the polls it appears so do most DEMOCRATS

I wonder if those self-identified progressive who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in the 2016 general election going to play the same game in 2020 if they don't get their way and vote for Jill Stein or the Green Party candidate?

It didn't take much either, just enough. In those critical swing states the Democratic nominee lost by LESS THAN 1%. In each of those states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.

Every Democrat voting for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and those Democrats were progressive by any standard.

We don't need a divisive person who appoints people who voted for Jill Stein in the general election in 2016. We'll see how that works out for him.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who voted for Stein voted for Trump.

… this "story" is part of his campaign.

Warren could at least get the progressives not to vote for spoilers the way they did in 2016.

Perhaps somebody who could deliver Florida, Ohio or Texas?

The only thing that counts is the top of the ticket. Nixon got a landslide with Agnew. Roosevelt got a landslide with a drunk.

Why tip your hand this early? Remember when Joe was named then candidate Obama's VP pick? It was like a well-managed ad campaign. They kept the public in thrall for weeks, IIRC.

Don't give the repubicans another target this early. Make them use the shotgun approach until the right moment. Diffuse their attacks.

He should quit while he is on top rather than wait until he is... uh, not on top.

"A spokesman for former Vice President Joe Biden denied on Friday that the prospective presidential contender has a "pro-cooked" plan to pick Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams as his running mate early in the primary.
“@JoeBiden has an enormous amount of respect for @staceyabrams (it is why he endorsed her!) — but these rumors about discussions on a pre-cooked ticket are false, plain and simple,” the spokesman, Bill Russo, tweeted."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435371-biden-spokesperson-denies-reports-of-abrams-as-early-running-mate-pick

It made no sense with someone as experienced as VP Biden..