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Uncle Joe

(58,405 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 PM Nov 2019

Bernie Sanders Dominates 2020 Presidential Field in Donations From Suburban Women



(snip)

The data shows that women are politically engaged earlier in the election than ever before, more than 1 million have already donated $131 million itemized dollars to presidential candidates. Men, however, still make up the largest donor group. For every dollar given, $0.57 came from a man and $0.43 came from a woman. It also found that no one presidential candidate is carrying that almighty suburban female vote just yet, but that some candidates are making greater inroads than others. Namely: Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

Of all the potential 2020 candidates, Sanders has taken in the most money from women, raising about $17.1 million in itemized contributions, or 40% of his total funds. Trailing just behind Sanders is Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), each with about $15 million coming from women. Surprisingly, it’s a female candidate, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), who received the least amount of funding from women, with just $1.05 million coming in.

(snip)

Sanders, meanwhile has received more than $13 million in small-dollar donations from nearly 280,000 suburban women. Combining small and large-dollar donations, Sanders earned more than any other presidential candidate amongst suburban women with a total of $15 million from small and large donors alike.

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Sanders and Warren do well in diverse suburban districts, while Trump does better in suburbs that are less diverse.

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https://fortune.com/2019/11/08/bernie-sanders-women-donors-poll-2020/

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Bernie Sanders Dominates 2020 Presidential Field in Donations From Suburban Women (Original Post) Uncle Joe Nov 2019 OP
Inasmuch as only a small fraction of his contributions are itemized, how do we really know? George II Nov 2019 #1
The article said this... House of Roberts Nov 2019 #2
Yes, but of the so-called "millions" of contributors, as of June 30 only 22,000 were itemized.... George II Nov 2019 #3
I believe more data comes from people who make contributions of 200 dollars or more ritapria Nov 2019 #4
You're correct. Contributions are itemized for those over $200 or in aggregate over $200... George II Nov 2019 #7
The OP is only speaking of itemized contributions. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #10
I don't argue with that. But if you look at the details of the FEC filings.... George II Nov 2019 #13
The OP is not speaking about non-itemized campaign contributions. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #16
Correct, so they're dismissing more than 70% of the contributions. You're okay with that? George II Nov 2019 #17
For the purpose of this study today, yea. It is what it is, even if it's not a complete picture. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #18
So it's a grossly flawed study - it doesn't include almost three-quarters of the data. George II Nov 2019 #19
Then petition the FEC to require non-itemized contributions to require gender and more but Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #20
It's a window on a very small sampling of contributions.... George II Nov 2019 #22
You called it. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #26
Thanks for posting... can't wait to hear all the reasons the naysayers will sposedly find fault. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #5
There are no "reasons" other than this is based on undocumented "facts". George II Nov 2019 #8
Precisely Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #27
Don't mind it though... it's an obvious sign of fear, which is understandable. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #28
K n R JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #6
K&R CentralMass Nov 2019 #9
My God, women with patios and a barbecue love Bernie. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #11
And we don't even know that they're women, this analysis is based on the first name of contributors! George II Nov 2019 #14
I should think suburban women today are more concerned with childcare than casseroles floppyboo Nov 2019 #24
and if he felt it was more expedient to publish his oatmeal cookie recipe by now, well ... floppyboo Nov 2019 #25
Didn't say we just sit on the patio , but it is something we have in common, our bit of midcentury emmaverybo Nov 2019 #33
Not surprised. ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #12
More fantastic news for Bernie! floppyboo Nov 2019 #15
You know it!! And THEY know it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #29
Bernie Sanders Dominates 2020 Presidential Field in Donations From Vermont Women TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #21
Nicely done!! Sometimes the truth is hilarious redstateblues Nov 2019 #23
Before you get too comfortable with that, remember Kentucky floppyboo Nov 2019 #30
What? TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #32
Why does it matter when Bloomberg can spend $100 million of his own money? YOHABLO Nov 2019 #31
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Inasmuch as only a small fraction of his contributions are itemized, how do we really know?
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 PM
Nov 2019
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House of Roberts

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2. The article said this...
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:23 PM
Nov 2019

"A recent report by the Center for Responsive Politics used fundraising data made available by the Federal Elections Commission to analyze where women were putting their money, and likely their votes, in the upcoming presidential election."

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George II

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3. Yes, but of the so-called "millions" of contributors, as of June 30 only 22,000 were itemized....
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:27 PM
Nov 2019

...the rest were un-itemized.

That means other than those 22,000 we know virtually nothing about the others - no name, no address, no occupation, no employer, and most importantly no amount.

Plus, FEC doesn't require reporting the gender of any contributor.

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ritapria

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4. I believe more data comes from people who make contributions of 200 dollars or more
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 PM
Nov 2019

I am not 100% sure on this

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George II

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7. You're correct. Contributions are itemized for those over $200 or in aggregate over $200...
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:59 PM
Nov 2019

...all others are "unitemized" with no information available whatsoever.

Plus, candidate committees do not report gender (or age) of contributors. Only one campaign dwells on these undocumented demographics, and it's entirely speculative.

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Uncle Joe

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10. The OP is only speaking of itemized contributions.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:17 AM
Nov 2019


(snip)

The data shows that women are politically engaged earlier in the election than ever before, more than 1 million have already donated $131 million itemized dollars to presidential candidates. Men, however, still make up the largest donor group. For every dollar given, $0.57 came from a man and $0.43 came from a woman. It also found that no one presidential candidate is carrying that almighty suburban female vote just yet, but that some candidates are making greater inroads than others. Namely: Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

Of all the potential 2020 candidates, Sanders has taken in the most money from women, raising about $17.1 million in itemized contributions, or 40% of his total funds. Trailing just behind Sanders is Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), each with about $15 million coming from women. Surprisingly, it’s a female candidate, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), who received the least amount of funding from women, with just $1.05 million coming in.

(snip)

https://fortune.com/2019/11/08/bernie-sanders-women-donors-poll-2020/



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George II

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13. I don't argue with that. But if you look at the details of the FEC filings....
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:26 AM
Nov 2019

....less than 30% of BS' contributions are itemized (dollar wise) and an even smaller fraction are itemized with respect to # of contributors - 22,000 of the claimed million+, that's less than 3%!

Plus, there is no explicit data available about the gender of contributors, so all of this is speculative. It's based on an interpretation of the names of those contributors who are itemized. How do we know that contributors are women or men? We don't.

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Uncle Joe

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16. The OP is not speaking about non-itemized campaign contributions.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:28 AM
Nov 2019
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George II

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17. Correct, so they're dismissing more than 70% of the contributions. You're okay with that?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:31 AM
Nov 2019
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Uncle Joe

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18. For the purpose of this study today, yea. It is what it is, even if it's not a complete picture.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:38 AM
Nov 2019
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George II

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19. So it's a grossly flawed study - it doesn't include almost three-quarters of the data.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:45 AM
Nov 2019
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Uncle Joe

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20. Then petition the FEC to require non-itemized contributions to require gender and more but
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:47 AM
Nov 2019

in the meantime this is what it is, a window on one segment of society women in suburbs itemized contributions.

and 17 million dollars isn't chump change.

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George II

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22. It's a window on a very small sampling of contributions....
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:58 AM
Nov 2019

...AND it's based on a very subjective interpretation of contributors' names.

It's not a question of FEC guidelines, it's a question of someone's subjective interpretation of available data. I seriously don't understand the rationale behind all of these attempts to skew the real facts to fit a narrative. It makes one wonder about the supporters' confidence behind the candidates' true viability.

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TexasTowelie

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26. You called it.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:10 AM
Nov 2019

If it is repeated frequently enough some people may believe it.

I guess that there wasn't any other good news for the campaign to report on a Friday night.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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5. Thanks for posting... can't wait to hear all the reasons the naysayers will sposedly find fault.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 PM
Nov 2019

That's how you know Bernie's winning!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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George II

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8. There are no "reasons" other than this is based on undocumented "facts".
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:00 AM
Nov 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

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28. Don't mind it though... it's an obvious sign of fear, which is understandable.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:51 AM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Undecided
 

emmaverybo

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11. My God, women with patios and a barbecue love Bernie.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:20 AM
Nov 2019
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George II

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14. And we don't even know that they're women, this analysis is based on the first name of contributors!
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:27 AM
Nov 2019
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floppyboo

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24. I should think suburban women today are more concerned with childcare than casseroles
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:07 AM
Nov 2019

Such assumptions say so much

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floppyboo

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25. and if he felt it was more expedient to publish his oatmeal cookie recipe by now, well ...
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:10 AM
Nov 2019
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emmaverybo

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33. Didn't say we just sit on the patio , but it is something we have in common, our bit of midcentury
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 03:02 AM
Nov 2019

history and heaven. Of course no one’s home to enjoy it. Nice for block parties.

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floppyboo

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15. More fantastic news for Bernie!
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:27 AM
Nov 2019

Now, if they would just start showing polling #'s using 2018 turnout demographics, the news would be even better!
Here Comes Bernie!

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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29. You know it!! And THEY know it!!
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:52 AM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,387 posts)
21. Bernie Sanders Dominates 2020 Presidential Field in Donations From Vermont Women
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:57 AM
Nov 2019

Who Live in Vacation Houses Purchased Along Lake Champlain With Proceeds from Inheritances


Whew! That was a tough headline to fix.

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redstateblues

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23. Nicely done!! Sometimes the truth is hilarious
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:05 AM
Nov 2019
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floppyboo

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30. Before you get too comfortable with that, remember Kentucky
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:23 AM
Nov 2019

It was the suburban women that won that back for the democrats.

I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but Stop using 2016 polling data for weighting demographic groups.
Post trump inauguration is going to be a hell of a lot different (results are in, btw) so insist of up to date polling, or loose again.

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TexasTowelie

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32. What?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:39 AM
Nov 2019

I didn't use any 2016 polling data as the basis for my reply.

I am ridiculing the use of emphasizing extremely targeted demographic groups to create a headline like the one in this OP which intend to make Bernie (or any other candidate) appear to be doing better than he actually is. Perhaps I should have narrowed it down using census tract information instead?

However, if you want to believe that winning a subset of a subset of a set is meaningful, then have at it since it is Friday night/Saturday morning.

I don't know if it applies specifically for this poll, but most major pollsters do make adjustments to their raw data to weight the demographics of their polls for factors such as age, education, economic groups, race, religion and sex. They will also weight that data to polling done in the past. Those pollsters tend to produce more reliable results than those who do not use such methodology which is why they remain in business.

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
31. Why does it matter when Bloomberg can spend $100 million of his own money?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:29 AM
Nov 2019
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