Which he will if we go too far left. Hard for some to face but he will.

Just like 1988, 2000, 2004 & 20016

I get it... analysis of objective data and evidence to support a claim is simply too damned inconvenient these days. T-shirt slogans are just more mentally soothing.

1992, 1996, 2008, 2012)

He wasn’t radical left either but not a centrist. Of course, Carter, Clinton and Obama were and didn’t have Nader and Stein playing purity games.

I remember Dukakis tucking his ACLU card between his legs and running for the center...

as a radical liberal. Remember Willie Horton?

And neither was President Bill Clinton.

republicans

Instead of an anointment.

nominee

When you make a comment that says that if we select what "YOU" classify as a moderate, "we will lose", then your implication is that if the nominee is someone who doesn't represent some purity test, this "energized base" won't be so energized

That logic makes ZERO SENSE

liberal district [SF], and has been very comfortable with that, and knowledgeable about her constituency.

As Speaker, she did not turn coat with power. As Speaker, she is a liberal, who needs to get thing accomplished.

Pelosi is a pragmatist!

be needed given that Warren and Sanders can win if Biden falters.

But Bloomberg and Patrick aren't realistic alternatives. Maybe Patrick could have been but he's very late to the party.

Sanders doesn't stand a chance regardless. He's at his ceiling of support and it's over for him once we get to South Carolina. Warren, though, is a contender.

he in New Hampshire. And just so you know...although we talk about Biden's appeal to moderate voters...he is a progressive and always was. Tired of the smears against Biden on this front.

He was a big drug warrior, he authored the 1994 Crime Bill, was hardcore pro death penalty, anti Internet privacy, was opposed to sanctuary cities, was in favour of DADT, WAS pro Patriot Act, pro Iraq War, used to be anti marriage equality (voted for the DOMA), was pro NAFTA and pro TPP. He was instrumental in ramming through the odious Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act in 2005, as well as the 1999 repeal of Glass–Steagall, and the horrid Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (re-legalising derivatives of all sorts, which are 'weapons of financial mass destruction', to quote Warren Buffett, hardly a flaming leftie) which systematically aided in setting up the playing field for the 2007-2009 financial crisis.

So, nope, not at all always a progressive, unless you are going to so dumb down the definition of progressive that it becomes utterly meaningless.

I think that he and Pete are our two best chances to defeat Rump, but Biden is far from

They don't seem worried so much about Warren winning this thing, rather that Biden might lose it.

And neither do a lot of people in Obama World. For example:

A New Candidate for Obama’s Rightful Heir
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/11/deval-patrick-or-joe-biden-obamas-natural-heir/601900/

There's definitely a school of thought out there that sees the field lacking that unifying figure who will (magically IMO) bridge our ideological divides.

And he doesn't have the means to self-fund his campaign. Hard to see him having much impact beyond making it harder for Biden to win. I suppose he could hurt Warren's chances in New Hampshire.

But he's definitely more formidable than Bloomberg which admittedly isn't saying much. His strength with AA voters would hurt the current field across the board but because of the Bain connection he's much easier to run against from the Warren/Sanders position than from the center.

Bloomberg as the nominee is something I just can't get my brain around and I'm sure I have a lot of company. Patrick otoh is someone to take seriously on paper, even if the practical problems at this point for him (in addition to the Bain factor) are many. Good summary of those here:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/11/12/the-bad-news-for-deval-patrick/5S9boQdnA4rw1nr2dVSq7N/story.html

Patrick could have started campaigning for Buttigieg or Harris if he's not confident in either Warren or Biden.

Or he could have joined the race 10 months ago.

Running now seems futile.

must win state for her ...New Hampshire.

Get off it.

Joe Biden is a life long liberal.

No gaslighting!

...the centrist (or whatever term one prefers) vote is supposed to hurt Warren.

All I can figure is Bloombrrg will attack Warren in a way Biden won't and that Patrick might hurt Warren's odds in New Hampshire. But I think there's a greater likelihood that they'll hurt Biden or have no real impact at all.

This "centrist" BS is gaslighting.

I just wanted to make that comment somewhere in general considering all the responses...



In fact, maybe I should make a lighthearted OP