Alexandria is outstanding. She is my kind of Democrat.

AOC is the best rookie US Rep I've ever seen in my long life!!!

Bottom up, not top down.

As opposed to schools where people are sorted according to SES

It's interesting -- what seems obvious to some of us appears hidden to others.

of willfull ignorance involved when claiming not to understand the phrase. Especially when it is explained in AOC's comments.

She sure is smart! Now I have to find SES.

....(which again is a misnomer) isn't a "SAD ARGUMENT AGAINST" it (all caps like the subject).

Why do certain politicians/candidates have to characterize a difference of opinion? Simply saying "I disagree, and here's why..." sure beats the derogatory "sad argument", and it would get a better reception rather than immediately put people off.

in the OP and honestly I don't believe you can.

....it's only a bunch of words tied together by her to bash another candidate's solution to a problematic issue.

Note I didn't call HER "argument" sad.

Makes sense.

Quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur.

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Andrew Cuomo spearheaded a program similar to Pete's proposal here in NY.

....to a "socioeconomically UNintegrated" neighborhood presumably BECAUSE of the education available in the Bronx.

here in chi, we have worked hard to give kids choices to go to school at other than their own, local school.
it hasnt really worked, because of the segregation of neighborhoods. but it has helped.

michele obama's high school was one of the earliest steps toward a color blind school system. we have taken many more steps including, gasp, many very good charter schools.

so, no, your hot button does not apply.

The US Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's put out each year and shows the correlation between educational attainment level and earnings.

Here's the link: https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2019/data-on-display/education_pays.htm?view_full

Enter these numbers in excel and perform a Pearson's correlation coefficient and you will find that it is almost 100% related (0.97).

As an economist, I am involved in economic development in my region, and for my own state I found that the cost of remittance for student loan debt was $2.7 billion per year in foregone sales of goods and services. For this reason, I have often advocated debt forgiveness programs, company forgiveness programs (86% of young people say they would commit to working for an employer five years if the employer helped defray their student debt, yet only 4% of companies do), and more public subsidies to offset tuition and books for kids (and older adults) who find they must attend some kind of postsecondary training in order to earn a livable wage.

I also found, from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) that a study done of two cohorts of students showed that for each cohort, minority kids actually owed MORE seven years after starting their programs than they borrowed to attend school. I even called and spoke personally to several people at NCES and they verified this statistic. That is absolutely appalling.

I tell people that we would be very well advised, particularly since almost half of our labor force will be comprised of racial and ethnic minorities within 30 years, to treat our kids as a socio-economic investment rather than subjecting them to often predatory lending practices just to get through school.

It's hurting businesses, particularly those that depend on workers with high levels of technical and problem solving skills, to have kids choosing not to go to college at all, in which case they don't qualify for the job, or In a full employment market, businesses are now implementing practices that encourage employee retention, and kids who graduate with debt so high they will jump ship at the first offer of a slightly higher wage don't stay as long because they chase the money.

OK. That's what I tell business and policy making audiences.

What I tell people on here is that these are our children and grandchildren for God's sake. We tell them they have to go to school to get any kind of decent job, and then the system itself is predatory. Predictably, the more expensive private-for-profit schools have the worst earnings outcomes at graduation and the highest student loan default rates, while state colleges have better earnings outcomes and lower default rates.

And this thing with minority kids? It literally nauseated me. When I ran the numbers I found that Black or African American kids in two cohorts studied actually owed an average of 114% to 120% of what they borrowed 7 years after starting a program. Think about that for a minute in light of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Thus, there is a very compelling case to investing tax dollars in postsecondary education for our children. In terms of social and economic policy, doing this would alleviate the fact that, as journalist Jason DeParle points out in a NYT article:

Our last Governor, Bill Haslam pushed through free two-year community college with 100% transfer to state universities. Many of our private schools accept it too. Add the Hope lotto scholarship for kids with a 3.0 or 20 on ACT, that provides almost $2000 per semester - college is very affordable in TN. I have a HS senior who is applying now. He is an average student with zero scholarships but given the Promise, Hope and a few bucks that his perspective college is throwing in as "aid" his tuition will be free first two years or about $900 per semester at a 4 year school. We have zero intention of student loans and he will have to work part time.

I think the days when people could wisely talk about means-testing are long gone. Making rational points as Mayor Pete is doing doesn't get anywhere in today's politics.

On a purely logical level, if public schools and public universities are public goods, they belong to all of us.

I guess everyone doesn’t know that by now.

Amy Klobuchar has come out against free college for all. I haven’t heard Joe Biden support that policy.
Does Kamala Harris? I don’t think so.

And probably to you as well. It's all in the poll numbers. As Pete's numbers rise, he's going to get this kind of negativity when others who share his same views don't. I hear nothing negative about Michael Bennett after all...ever!

We must be better than this n/t

and that is so disappointing. I'm in Iowa and Pete's pragmatic approach is very popular among Democrats who want to get things done, instead of just screaming about it all the time. I try to keep that perspective in mind.

...absolutely...

...she's right, you know...

...Social Security and Medicare today would be just other gutted-out, under-funded, welfare programs if everyone wasn't invested...

...we want everybody's skin in the game...

"Education" is the public service in question.

And I'd vote for her if I lived in her district, but why does everything that comes out of her mouth have to be a headline? She's not the Oracle at Delphi.

I find it very interesting that they have more power than anyone else to dictate the narrative, the issues to be debated, etc. Literally, all other candidates have to provide alternatives instead of controlling the narrative themselves. The most disappointing campaign is Biden’s. The website is a mess, energy doesn’t seem to be there. Obama said this is the “time for bold proposals”. No centrist will ever vote trump but they can be persuaded that many of our progressive causes are not far left at all but an important part of successful capitalism. As a democratic party, we strongly reject the normalization socialism (state means of productions). I like the idea of affordable college (private schools are excluded) but I am adamantly opposed to forgive current student loans.
1. Affordable state college
2. Improved ACA by mandating medicaid expansion and offering medicare option in all 50 states.
3. Ensure that employees are represented on corporate board
4. Freedom dividend needs to be rebranded, e.g. tax refund or something. Prepare populace for larger than life automation coming our ways which will result in dramatic reduction of fastfood, retail staff and drivers within 5-10 years.
5. Election integrity. It is absolutely necessary that we improve integrity of our elections by aways having a paper trail but also robust if not automatic voter registration, including same day registration option. This is fundamental constitutional right and some states try to restrict and control it for us.

Tuition does not mean free. My daughter is headed off to college next year, and tuition will account for less than half of the expense. Fees, books, room and board account for 60% of the total bill.

I am fortunate enough to have been able to save. Expanded pell grants help, though the amount the federal government expects people to be able to pay is nuts..... in my case, about 35% of my take home pay.

Frankly, I think just having zero interest loans would really help a lot of people.

like free tuition wasn't the logical next step before that decline.

I say good for her. She is showing the kind of fight we need from all of our Democratic reps. Furthermore she does not hesitate.

Gawd help anyone that tries to smear her or progressive political policies. Even if its a fellow Democrat. Some say other Democrats are off limits. I say that is hypocrisy of ones principles to not be honest about everyone.

Time and time again it is proven that if you try and limit social benefits to only one segment, and the wealthier classes are shut out of those benefits, they will eventually retaliate. Not because they need them, but they see money, they are paying in taxes, going to someone else s kids. So they pressure their (mostly) Republican reps to vote against any social service especially one that does not directly benefit them.

The only way to do healthcare or free tuition, is for it to be for everyone. Its the only way it can gain any hold. Its such a simple truth and its sad to see candidates like Buttigieg and others not seeing this or choosing to be wilfully ignorant on it.

libraries, parks etc.... We to stop arguing about the color of the buckets to water the garden and just water the garden and watch it grow. There is only one thing between peace and prosperity, here and universally. Stagnated money. Start eliminating trades and deals that only serve to take money out of economies.

with plenty of rich kids?

This is NOT my kind of Democrat.

Rich kids are just as welcome in any public school up to high school. They often choose to go to a private school instead. Why should college be any different?

Integration. The rich kids being snobby to the lower class.

Her “calling out” of Buttigieg reminded me of that fact.