Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum"Women, for their own preservation, are trying to pull themselves together.
And it's necessary for all of humanity that they do so."snip==================================================================================
The man is bitter.
"You lied to me," he said. (She did).
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You hated me not because of who I am, or what I was to you, but because I am a man. You did not deal with me as a person as me.
You lived a lie with me, used me and played games with me and that's a piggy thing to do."
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Women have to do better, but men are in pain and righteously bitter.
One of the Democratic candidates actually articulated these opinions. It was years ago, but it was also the same year as he ran for governor of his state.
The politician has since distanced himself from the essay and "recanted" the point of view. Supporters give him a pass, insisting that the piece was "dark satire" or a "stream of consciousness riff".
But has he ever taken responsibility and apologized?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Gloria Steinem endorsed Bernie as an honorary woman while other politicians were still in the anti choice party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)about some past hurt.
The first is disqualifying, the second not so much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kali
(55,014 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)I clicked the thread link from the homepage, otherwise I wouldn't have seen it (thank dog for the ignore feature).
Some people need to take up a hobby or two.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)It was a far different world in 1972 and I would hope I would not be judged for things I said or believed in back then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)toward women. Sanders ignored it thru out the campaign and after, until he decided to run again and saw it would affect 2020. And the under an hour he gave his attention to the past grievances when he did have an all day conference about the issue, supposedly to address this issue. So, while his writings, showing us his perspective on women (Old bitch of a teacher) were a handful of decades ago, while he was a grown adult man, he still has issues to deal with.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,304 posts)enough to even comment on.. but many do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)Go away. Sit down. Hush.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Welcome to DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)Sometimes it is just so easy to spot the trolls. I'm betting that account wasn't even a woman, or a feminist.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
efhmc
(14,726 posts)women's issues. This feminist has a real problem with him. Always have and cannot see him doing anything to change my view of him
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he believes we should adopt for the good of all. I've never seen any indication that he particularly likes or cares about individual people or groups who selfishly insist on distracting to their special problems. That's too small for his vision.
Understanding what the various groups we divide ourselves into because of special interests want is not necessary to promoting his universalist solutions. We should all have one healthcare system available to all -- check, equality achieved (don't wonder if the same people who run gender-unequal systems and make misogynistic decisions now will get personality transplants under socialism).
Socialism (the version he used to publicly espouse) would remove much of the problem with people finding employment, we'll all be able to have a job -- check, the biggest step to equality achieved.
Big universal solutions will largely fix these nattering problems, so a wise leader will ignore the selfish, small-minded demands that distract from achieving them.
He also can't tell the difference between us and the Republicans. I think that's because his view is from so far above.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,726 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,304 posts)advice on a political discussion board.
This is the Vetting process.. I don't think republicons would let this slide because it's from 1972.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gotta remember to stay out of Primaries
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)And time woman puts herself together for the sake of all humanity. Her responsibility.
Yes, this tells us how he sees women.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
efhmc
(14,726 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)WOW!
You got nothing from his teen years?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)not a teenager.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,537 posts)And that he saw MLK speaking in Washington DC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,726 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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irisblue
(32,980 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beringia
(4,316 posts)and in saying I was wrong, isn't that taking responsibility.
He is so outspoken and wears his thoughts on his sleeves. I bet if you knew what some of the other candidates were thinking but not saying, you would be just as shocked.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
efhmc
(14,726 posts)Nothing has changed except the political environment he is now in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)The politician in question neither apologized, nor recanted. He appears to merely claim that the essay was misinterpreted
Women have the feeling they have to be dependent. It was very poorly written in a way I certainly would not write it now. But if you read it, what you find is that is a bad situation for both people: women shouldnt be dependent. Men should not be oppressors. We want a society where people are equal. That was what it was about.
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/29/bernie-sanders-disowns-1972-article-on-womens-fantasies-of-rape/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beringia
(4,316 posts)what's wrong with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beringia
(4,316 posts)I think Bernie comes from a good place.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
efhmc
(14,726 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,304 posts)You!.. "
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,304 posts)wrote this.. and other candidates didn't. We don't read minds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,537 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,537 posts)"The existence of a female candidate on the ballot did not make a significant difference, as women's voting patterns were essentially unchanged from 2012 to 2016. In every presidential election from 1996 to 2016, between 51 and 56 percent of women have voted for the Democratic candidate; in 2012, 55 percent backed Obama, and Hillary Clinton's support among women in 2016 was only slightly below that (54 percent)." From "Nasty Women and Bad Hombres."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Not seeing that happening.
Even a half apology that doesn't admit any responsibility such as, I certainly apologize to any woman who felt she was not treated appropriately, and of course if I run we will do better the next time," would be better than nothing.
Not going to hold my breath, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden