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question everything

(47,529 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:29 PM Dec 2019

We won in 2018 thanks to emphasizing healthcare

thanks to the genius of Pelosi.

We highlighted the ACA with its pre existing conditions that the Rs led by Trump wanted to, still do, to remove.

Most of the new members who flipped the Rs seat are moderate.

Yet, I cannot find any other term - I find that his race has been hijacked by Medicare for All that includes elimination of private insurance, even though we know that most voters like them. Or, at least, do not want them gone.

And I wonder: how many jobs will be eliminated? Is this part of the $30 trillion cost?

I propose that the main focus of this campaign should be infrastructure and I went back to a story from April, Klobuchar's proposal

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13006

Sen. Klobuchar’s plan would focus on improving highways and bridges, including the nation’s more than 50,000 bridges deemed structurally deficient, while enhancing the nation’s seaports, airports and rail systems.

It would also emphasize fixing schools facing disrepair, improving public transit systems serving low-income neighborhoods, and strengthening wastewater treatment systems to provide clean drinking water. Sen. Klobuchar’s proposal would also provide Midwest communities dealing with extensive flooding with greater flood protection, an issue the senator is expected to discuss this week in Iowa. She would also set a goal of connecting every home to the internet by 2022, a concern in rural communities.

Beyond the $650 billion in federal funding, Ms. Klobuchar’s plan would create an independent infrastructure financing authority that would leverage $250 billion to $300 billion in direct loans and loan guarantees and issue a series of bonds that would support nearly $400 billion in investments in projects.

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I don't remember infrastructure mentioned much, if at all, in the debates. The debates were hijacked by Medicare for all - or not - by impeachment and by Ukraine. Even Klobuchar has not been talking much about it.

We heard again, today, about a house exploded because, perhaps, gas line. Our gas lines are old and decaying. The Subway in New York is old and decaying. Many bridges and channels are no longer adequate. And, of course, investing in infrastructure would create jobs at all skill levels, across the country. Instead of losing jobs by Medicare for All, jobs would be created. Paychecks would be invested in the communities, in, yes, purchasing health insurance, in affording a roof over one's head.

I will use a medical term - triage: "the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties."

When we finally kick Trump from office, and please, let it be next year, we will have to use triage. There will be so many directions that we should to that we will have to assign degrees of urgency. And I claim that infrastructure should come ahead of healthcare. Why? Because it will affect many more people. It is "kitchen table" issues. Most voters will get it.

Yes, many are still uninsured. Many struggle with payments but at least they have access to some kind of healthcare.


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Joe Biden
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We won in 2018 thanks to emphasizing healthcare (Original Post) question everything Dec 2019 OP
2018 was about Trump. JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #1
Sorry, you're Wrong. Nancy advised candidates Cha Dec 2019 #7
Yes. Don't you already know that we Dems despise Trump? JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #9
But the candidates were careful not to campaign about Trump question everything Dec 2019 #11
You mean like AOC or the... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #12
Oh I did not know that AOC flipped a long serving R question everything Dec 2019 #14
As in dripping with condensation? JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #15
She didn't flip a red seat BLUE like all the other Cha Dec 2019 #21
Like I said.. The Dems ran on Healthcare.. you're misinformed.. Cha Dec 2019 #18
I thought we won because of fielding centrists in 2018? at140 Dec 2019 #2
Sure. And these centrists ran on preserving the ACA question everything Dec 2019 #3
I will take your word on that at140 Dec 2019 #5
Yes they did.. there was all sorts of news about it at the time. Cha Dec 2019 #8
I found this post of yours, question everythig, while I was researching.. Cha Dec 2019 #17
Thanks. And this, really, is what all of us were talking, the genius of Pelosi question everything Dec 2019 #19
Exactly.. the tyt aren't very smart. Cha Dec 2019 #20
K&R betsuni Dec 2019 #4
Hatred of Trump drove out Huge D Turnout in 2018 ritapria Dec 2019 #6
+1000! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #10
"To be fair.." Nancy advised candidates to campaign on ACA.. Cha Dec 2019 #16
If you can't afford "coverage" or can't afford the dflprincess Dec 2019 #13
Eh. Turin_C3PO Dec 2019 #22
 

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
1. 2018 was about Trump.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:45 PM
Dec 2019

2020 needs to be about Medicare for All so we can lead on issues, after we Impeach the MFer!

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
7. Sorry, you're Wrong. Nancy advised candidates
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:56 PM
Dec 2019

to talk about ACA Healthcare and they did.. and we got a Blue Wave.. flipped at least 40 red seats to BLUE.

Weren't you paying attention?

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JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
9. Yes. Don't you already know that we Dems despise Trump?
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:58 PM
Dec 2019

In 2016 & 2018. ?

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question everything

(47,529 posts)
11. But the candidates were careful not to campaign about Trump
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:16 AM
Dec 2019

Not directly. After all he was not on the ballots. They were aiming at their Rs opponents as hurting pre existing conditions.

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JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
12. You mean like AOC or the...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:18 AM
Dec 2019

...or the other three. Then you and I do agree!

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question everything

(47,529 posts)
14. Oh I did not know that AOC flipped a long serving R
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:25 AM
Dec 2019

Things that one can learn here

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JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
15. As in dripping with condensation?
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:29 AM
Dec 2019

She beat a super big, and very long-time, Dem.

AOC deserves all of our Dem's respect.

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
21. She didn't flip a red seat BLUE like all the other
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:13 PM
Dec 2019

Dems who helped win us the Democratic House Victory.. they have my Respect.

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
18. Like I said.. The Dems ran on Healthcare.. you're misinformed..
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:16 AM
Dec 2019
Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)

snip//

I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.

There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.

What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.

So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy

I think until the very end, this campaign was mostly run on health care, it was run on protecting kids from gun violence, building infrastructure in my state, in New Jersey.

I think the last couple of weeks I think Trump inserted himself into the campaign in ways that were terrible for the country but also bad for his party.

It was fear, demonization and conspiracy theories and in a district like mine, that did not play well, especially after the shootings in the Pittsburgh synagogue because we could link, very clearly, the president's words to one of the worst acts of violence, religious violence, hateful violence in American history and our positive message on practical issues like healthcare, infrastructure, gun violence, the economy, contrasted with fear, was very advantageous for us.


https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/congressman-elect-tom-malinowski/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11406195
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at140

(6,110 posts)
2. I thought we won because of fielding centrists in 2018?
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:54 PM
Dec 2019

Especially in swing districts.

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question everything

(47,529 posts)
3. Sure. And these centrists ran on preserving the ACA
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:56 PM
Dec 2019
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at140

(6,110 posts)
5. I will take your word on that
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:18 PM
Dec 2019

since I really did not follow each individual race. Any other issues besides ACA were addressed by those centrists?

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
8. Yes they did.. there was all sorts of news about it at the time.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:57 PM
Dec 2019

The first poster is Wrong.

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
17. I found this post of yours, question everythig, while I was researching..
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:11 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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question everything

(47,529 posts)
19. Thanks. And this, really, is what all of us were talking, the genius of Pelosi
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:09 PM
Dec 2019

even when some newly elected, Young Turkettes* wanted to depose her.


* https://grammarist.com/idiom/young-turk/

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
20. Exactly.. the tyt aren't very smart.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:10 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
6. Hatred of Trump drove out Huge D Turnout in 2018
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:50 PM
Dec 2019

In the Senate Races however many Centrists did not fare so well : Donnelly, Mckaskill , Nelson ... They did far worse than the polling suggested they would …..Populists like Sherrod Brown and Jon Tester won in tough states ……….To be fair, Manchin was reelected in WV by portraying himself as a Trump "mini- me " ……. The Party has to stand up for working class vters

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
16. "To be fair.." Nancy advised candidates to campaign on ACA..
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:07 AM
Dec 2019

and not talk about trump..

Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)

snip//

I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.

There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.

What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.

So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy

I think until the very end, this campaign was mostly run on health care, it was run on protecting kids from gun violence, building infrastructure in my state, in New Jersey.

I think the last couple of weeks I think Trump inserted himself into the campaign in ways that were terrible for the country but also bad for his party.

It was fear, demonization and conspiracy theories and in a district like mine, that did not play well, especially after the shootings in the Pittsburgh synagogue because we could link, very clearly, the president's words to one of the worst acts of violence, religious violence, hateful violence in American history and our positive message on practical issues like healthcare, infrastructure, gun violence, the economy, contrasted with fear, was very advantageous for us.


https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/congressman-elect-tom-malinowski/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11406195

"The Party" IS "Standing UP FOR WORKING CLASS VOTERS"
If I were to vote in a presidential
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dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
13. If you can't afford "coverage" or can't afford the
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:18 AM
Dec 2019

out of pockets you do not have access to "some kind of healthcare" unless you're willing to go bankrupt. Maybe if we can't have M4A we can at least demand that all health insurance policies cover the cost of bankruptcy.

And we do not know that "most" people like their private insurance, we're being told they do. I don't know anyone who has used their insurance for other than preventive care who likes their insurer and hasn't complained about their out of pocket costs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Turin_C3PO

(14,039 posts)
22. Eh.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:19 PM
Dec 2019

I think we should run on adding a public option to the ACA. And no, many DON‘T have access to some kind of healthcare. It‘s a shameful stain on our nation.

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